Star Trek Social Club

~~Standby. I remember the episode but not with enough detail to discuss.(I'll get it rewatched now.)~~

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I watched through Day of Honor a couple of times today, but it was kinda choppy for me since I had to work.

I just want to clarify "give herself up" in that you mean she is willing to become part of the Voyager "collective" and puts aside her need to return to the Borg?

If my above assumption is correct, then yes. She is growing exponentially personality wise, but there are significant challenges in doing so.

Personally, I have been around engineers my entire life. Some people I know could rattle on for hours over something like p vs np even if they just learned about it a few hours ago. Put that same person in a complex social environment and they are absolutely clueless. It's similar to Seven.

Assuming I didn't know anything about her timeline after Day of Honor, my guess would have been it would take years for her to learn how to operate in a complex structure like we are accustomed to. Janeway seems bright enough to understand that as well. So yeah, it would be a very long time before she could make the kinds of decisions we take for granted and Janeway would have to do that for her like a parent.

Fast forward a bit to Picard, you can see how long it took for her character to develop into something that didn't resemble a robot. (I am willfully excluding some later episodes of Voyager that were kind of odd, btw.)

Really? That was your takeaway? ROFL!

They always fucked with my stomach, it was weird. Only brand that messed with me like that. 🤷‍♂️

Obligatory "glad I quit" statement lol

Sure. You need to be qualified to do that. A doctor can do that for the short term. And then a judge and a court has to make such decisions. I think in the real world they're the only ones allowed to do that, to adults at least. And it involves lots of paperwork, hearing experts and so on. But also in real life, captains get some extra rights and duties, if they're far out there, on their own. They can definitely lock up unruly people or make difficult decisions that need to be made on the spot. For everyone else, not so much. However, I think there are some exceptions. I'm not a native english speaker so I don't know the exact legal term... But next to self-defense, there are other laws concerning emergencies, justifiable emergency, necessity as justification, good samaritan law...? I don't know how we call that. But I'm pretty sure I could stop someone harming themselves, against their will. In dire circumstances. It wouldn't be fun though, and the last resort to avert serious damage. It's certainly problematic. And I think it has to meet objective standards. It can't be construed, or it won't apply. It's complicated. And on the other side we also have failure to provide assistance where I live, which I'm not sure if it's a law in the States.