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[–] workerONE@lemmy.world 23 points 3 hours ago (4 children)

Why do little cars have to withstand a collision with a huge truck but trucks just get bigger and bigger? The new Hummer is over 9,000lbs (4,090 kg)

[–] HBK@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 35 minutes ago (1 children)

Regardless of truck size, I don't think tractor trailers are going anywhere. Even if we made trucks smaller those would still be out there

Smaller trucks would still get in accidents though, and I imagine they would be less deadly

[–] SaltySalamander@fedia.io 1 points 19 minutes ago

Even if we made trucks smaller those would still be out there

If we made them smaller there'd just be more of them on the road. There'd also be higher prices for everything to compensate for the extra expense of having those extra trucks and bodies to pilot them.

[–] NoSpiritAnimal@lemmy.world 5 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

At 60 MPH the Hummer EV has the same kinetic energy as a 1993 Honda Civic Hatchback going 120mph.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Trying to imagine my old Civic doing that ….. holy shit that engine is winding up, glowing red hot, and I probably needed rocket boosters!

[–] rickyrigatoni@lemm.ee 1 points 56 minutes ago

Works fine in need for speed 😏

[–] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 1 points 2 hours ago
[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 hours ago

The cybertruck is like 7k lbs.

[–] krippix@feddit.org 4 points 2 hours ago

wtf in Europe that thing couldn't be driven with a regular class B drivers license

[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 5 points 3 hours ago

The last frontier, that showed up like forty years ago.

[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 52 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

I have conservative family members who deliberately go for the biggest SUV with the lowest gas mileage available just to "stick it to the government." If the government told them that they couldn't drive a small car, they'd be out there shopping for a small car. It's incredibly childish.

[–] AA5B@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, at some point we’re going to have to crank up gas prices

[–] leftytighty@slrpnk.net 1 points 19 minutes ago

budgeting and foregoing food to own the libs

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 19 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (2 children)

Yeah, a lot of stupid culture war crap is now tied up into the car your own.

If people actually prioritized performance, handling, visability, cost to drive, and cabin features, then a LOT of people would probably be better off with a sedan.

If you don’t need the space, you can get so much more bang for your buck with a smaller car. The $10k more you spend on the larger form factor could go toward a nicer power train and cabin luxury features.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Ya know it probably says something that the concept of "cabin luxury features" made we want to burn the inside of a car. Ill stick to my lack of cupholders in my 30 year old car thanks, but seriously when I see the interior of modern cars they make me want to rip into them with wire cutters. Bunch of useless crap like lane assist, cruise control, and addaptive road assist, powered stearing is the only luxury I need.

Fun fact I am only 24, I just am tech literate in the way that causes me to think 90% of technology is worthless crap that shouldve never been created and needs to be recycled.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 1 points 56 minutes ago

True. I’m mostly saying that you could probably take that cash and upgrade to a nicer car that isn’t covered in creaking injection molded plastic inside, or something with nicer seats and upholstery.

AKA decent materials, and not the cheap garbage you get on a base model American SUV.

[–] Maeve@kbin.earth 6 points 5 hours ago

Not to mention longer term cost of maintenance and insurance.

[–] Voyajer@lemmy.world 68 points 8 hours ago (5 children)
[–] BlueLineBae@midwest.social 18 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

The whole chart is rather fascinating and eye opening: Vehicle visibility

[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 5 points 3 hours ago

An articulated quarry hauler is barely worse than a pick-up truck

‘murca

[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 4 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Thanks, embedding:

[–] TownhouseGloryHole@lemmy.world 8 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Astounding. Hummer H2 beating the Sierra by 3m is incredible. A truck designed almost exclusively to express how selfish you are and it has better viability.

[–] Cadeillac@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

This chart is eye-opening...I always thought Hummers were made by...Hummer...

[–] kobra@lemm.ee 19 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

I will gladly trade my SUV in for a gently used M1

[–] affiliate@lemmy.world 3 points 5 hours ago (2 children)

what if the M1 doesn’t have a touch screen though

[–] Mac@mander.xyz 1 points 2 hours ago

good
touchscreens should be banned from vehicles

[–] Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 hours ago

Touch targeting

[–] Blackout@fedia.io 4 points 7 hours ago

Only 20 gallons to the mile, not bad

[–] nothing@lemm.ee 9 points 8 hours ago

This is actually a good point. And here's a video discussing the issue.

https://youtu.be/YpuX-5E7xoU?si=cmwWAFTUyAFt40mL

[–] tal@lemmy.today 6 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

That's not to mention the optics.

https://www.quora.com/Where-does-the-M1-Abrams-have-the-optics-of-its-main-cannon-I-dont-know-anything-about-tanks

#4 is the optic for the RWS. This cannot be used to aim the main gun, but it can be used as an alternate form of CITV, especially since it’s so damned high off the ground, it may be able to see over obstacles. Not as good as CITV in the thermal range, though.

That being said, some civilian vehicles are gonna have their own camera systems too, so...

[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 48 points 8 hours ago

GOP judge declaring NHTSA unconstitutional in 3... 2... 1...

[–] Samvega@lemmy.blahaj.zone 40 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Humans have quite literally invented cars that are better at killing people, especially children.

"I don't want children to die in accidents," say people as they drive huge masses of metal that might do just that.

[–] ThePantser@lemmy.world 13 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

I'll keep driving my PEV Minivan that has 360 cameras and I can see in front of me easily. I care about children's lives, unlike bubba in his lifted pickup truck. Why do you need a 4x4 lifted 3 feet and you live in the suburbs?

[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

...you know what they say about guys with big lift...

Funny thing is, the people I know with large vehicles around here always bemoan how difficult it is to park, yet don't want to solve the obvious problem because twice a year they want to haul a fridge to the dump or pick up something from the home improvement store rather than have it delivered or rent a truck for an hour.

[–] socphoenix@midwest.social 3 points 4 hours ago

Counting the differences in cost (loan, gas, expected maintenance, insurance etc) it came out to where I would have to use the truck to haul something at least a very weekend possibly more to break even with a much newer car vs just renting a truck once or twice a year. Pickups are almost universally owned by people too stupid for middle school math imo.

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 hours ago

always bemoan how difficult it is to park

I've made multuple older men incredibly upset by laughing at them when they say this

They get pissy and respond with "well you're some skinny long haired hippie who drives an EV so what do you know?" Which, yeah, all of that is true

But then I pull up the pictures of me 4x4ing in the rain and snow through fire smoke at work, pointing out that I drove a RAM3500 fully kitted out and lifted with a giant set of 4 110g tanks in the bed blocking anything other than my mirror and cam view, yet I only had issues parking when people didn't know how to stay in their own lines, and that I regularly had to squeeze my truck into areas with an inch or less of clearance in order to do my fucking job on a construction site, and I never hit anything but a rock (downhill, someone left a fucking rug out on some dirt in the rain and when my truck hit it I just slid til I hit the rock, company deemed me blameless)

They usually get flustered and change the subject p quick at that point

[–] Nougat@fedia.io 2 points 8 hours ago

Why do you need a 4x4 lifted 3 feet and you live in the suburbs?

Penis issue

[–] 18_24_61_b_17_17_4@lemmy.world -4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Your minivan is huge too...

[–] cogman@lemmy.world 9 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

Yes, but mini vans aren't lifted 20 ft off the ground with absurdly huge hoods for no apparent reason.

The reason trucks and SUVs are killing kids is because you can see a 4ft tall person that isn't standing 100 yards in front. These are the only vehicles with this problem.

[–] dafo@lemmy.world 6 points 7 hours ago

But it's still blocking the view for us in normal sizes cars.

I don't know how many times I've had to hope for the best and carefully inch forwards/backwards when being next to a minivan/SUV/pickup. I've been close to being in an accident a number of times because of, well mostly, SUVs.

[–] niucllos@lemm.ee 6 points 8 hours ago

Additionally, the raised and blunt hood height makes a full-body impact with no force dissipation much more likely, particularly for shorter people, where a more traditional hood shape allows a struck pedestrian to roll over the top and avert some of the force of the strike

[–] thefartographer@lemm.ee 1 points 7 hours ago

20-foot lifted vehicles would probably be considerably safer:

  1. They'd easily have the clearance to safely navigate over most pedestrians in their path.
  2. Any attempts to balance them well would be incredibly expensive and you'd likely have many drivers whose cars would fall over from insufficiently sized tires or whatever.

Hmmm... 🤔 Now that I think about it, maybe we should subsidize these lift kits to make this a self-solving problem

[–] LilB0kChoy@lemm.ee 12 points 8 hours ago

It’s out of control. I drive a 2019 Kona and I moved to that from my 2013 Elantra. Last time I was at the dealer was looking at the new Konas and they’re bigger, too big for me.