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I'm helping a family member build a pc. He wanted to use Windows because "Linux can't play games" despite me having a perfectly good gaming laptop running Linux that runs all my games, even graphically intensive ones.

2 days later, no game has been played yet. We can't even get steam to start. I even installed Arch on a sata ssd I donated just to verify the pc parts actually work (took less than an hour). It took 1 and a half days to even get the Windows 11 installer to get past like the 3rd screen.

Fucking fuck. Dealing with all this fucking bullshit is far worse than not being able to play a few trashy anticheat pay 2 win games. The anti Linux circlejerk is real.

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[–] celeste_qol@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

it feels like i'm still in /g/ with these types of posts

you went on a tirade about "windows bad, linux (aRcH btW!!!) best" without giving us any relevant information to help you with your "issue", other than the fact that you can game on your linux gaming laptop. you should've told that to your family member to at least try and convince them that gaming on linux is acceptable/good, maybe try to educate them about wine/proton and how performance may not be as good and some minor configurations may be needed, but that you could make it work. But nope.

also seriously, i mainly use linux myself, and i know this is a linux community, but we all know that windows "just works". it is also literally just a point and click on a gui even on the installer, it's that easy. reflash/rewrite the iso, or get another iso. that is my guess as to what you're fucking up

[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes, it's bad

If you're on the happy path all is well. The smoothest shit ever. If you turn onto the unhappy path.. oh boy. Helpful logs? Useful community posts from SMEs? Meh no. Best I can do is a plate of irrelevant copy-pasta on a malware-ridden site, SEOd to the top.

[–] ErrantRoleplayer@lemmy.world 1 points 3 months ago

This is basically why I went to linux around the time of Vista. The amount of hurdles windows puts in your way is silly.

However, it's odd for the OS to work and Steam then not to work. I wonder if the windows store protections have been disabled?

[–] shreddy_scientist@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Windows and Apple both capitalize on most folks lack of minimal tech savviness plus being creatures of habit. So much so, Apple gave away laptops to numerous Silicon Valley highschool classes in the mid 2000's, just to entrench them into the system.

I've been using Linux for a few years now and I still randomly think about what took me this long to switch. It's how an OS should be made. It can simply be installed and used out the gate or it can be tinkered with to make an ideal setup. Not to mention the lack of invasive tracking. Windows is so bad it's more complete monitoring of the users than tracking.

Regardless, August 2023 to August 2024 will definitely be the year of the Linux desktop! /s

[–] shotgun_crab@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Nice bait I guess. Windows may have bad things, but I have no idea what you're talking about here

[–] Crashumbc@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

ROFL, I like Linux, but if you can't install windows 11 easily. The problem isn't win11...

Windows 11's installer is a mess on anything but the most vanilla hardware configurations.

For example, I am unable to install Windows 11 on my PC because, for some infuriating reason, it keeps trying to install its bootloader on my SATA HDDs instead of the NVME drive I explicitly tell it to install onto, and then failing. It doesn't seem like there's any way forward except to physically disconnect all my SATA drives before installing. One of these days I might need Windows enough to go to that trouble, but right now I'm happy enough single-booting Linux.

Never mind the artificial limitations on TPM configurations. I didn't need to edit my BIOS settings to install Linux, but Windows threw a little fit.

[–] planish@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago

The problem is you cursed somebody out on Xbox Live in 2018 and now your Microsoft account is banned.

[–] Coreidan@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

ROFL windows is the easiest thing ever to install. Same with steam.

Sounds like either you’re terrible with computers or you have some serious hardware issues.

Blaming it solely on windows is a joke.

[–] OliWare@mastodon-belgium.be 0 points 1 year ago (3 children)

@Coreidan @PeterPoopshit ah, can you install windows without a microsoft-cloud account nowadays ? Please tell me how.

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[–] winterayars@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Have you actually installed Windows in the last decade? I mean from scratch, mind you.

[–] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Not op. I installed windows 10 on my custom built desktop and my kids custom built desktop, on VM, etc. Have not had a problem and it was pretty simple overall. I'm sure some folks do have issues, though. Shit happens. Is windows 11 shittier for install? I've never had the desire to try :)

I've also installed various Linux distros on the above and a few other computers (Mint, Nobara, Fedora). Aside from Mint not working with my AMD RX 6600, no problems there either, really. And these distros installed easily.

Again, ymmv. I knew Mint would probably fail because the 5.19 kernel does not seem to like my GPU. That's why I switched to Nobara in the first place (iirc the 6.x kernel wasn't available at the time)

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[–] zer0@thelemmy.club -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sounds like you have never installed linux

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[–] dewritoninja@pawb.social 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

What were you doing? The windows 11 install is so simple compared to even the windows 7 one. Where you messing with things to bypass the Microsoft login or something?

[–] PeterPoopshit@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

No, its a b650 motherboard and the windows installer didn't even have the right nvme ahci drivers for it. I tried about 8 different flash drives and fat32,exfat and ntfs until I found one that the windows installer would actually install the drivers with.

[–] CaptainBasculin@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I would reccommend you to not install W11, but install W10 instead. It's more stable with all sorts of hardware.

Also this could indicate an issue with the drive you're going to install the OS on. Could you run some checks on the disk itself for failed sectors?

[–] PeterPoopshit@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It worked fine on Arch. I finally found a flash drive and filesystem combination that the windows installer would both see and install when I put the manufacturer's Windows 11 64 bit ahci drivers on. It was a scandisk usb 3.0 mini thumb drive and ntfs in case anyone was wondering. I have 7 other usb flash drives at my disposal, most of them I could see but not install the drivers and I tried ntfs, exfat and fat32 before giving up on each flash drive.

[–] worsedoughnut@lemdro.id -1 points 1 year ago

Windows has it's serious flaws, and I would never willingly go back to it at this point, but the installer is too hard? This sounds like a you-issue rather than a Windows one.

[–] count_dongulus@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Linux still is not a main gaming OS yet. Stop being an asshole; you know this is true.

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