Orrrr.... don't use Google Chrome.
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Agreed. I never understood why anyone goes out of their way to install Chrome.
Rant:
Why not use Edge, which comes with the OS? I'm not promoting Edge, but it's already there. If you're going to install another browser, why not use Firefox instead? Every time I ask someone why they've installed Chrome, they either don't have an answer or say something like "it looks nice".
That said, Firefox' handling of tabs is still horrible. "Go Vivaldi" on this count. Sadly it's a Chromium browser.
How does Firefox fail you at tabs? I've always been happy with it, I sandbox my FB and Google social stuff, Save groups for opening at once, share tabs across devices, I don't want for anything.
The tab categories and paging are excellent. I don't understand what else you need. There are even 3rd party tools that improve this functionality.
Idk what people have about chromium tabs. Firefox does tabs just fine.
Also, edge does not come with most os, just w*ndows
Vivaldi does this out of the box: Tab grouping, tab stacking, tab stack renaming, vertical tabs, periodic tab reloading, etc.
Firefox has some catching up to do in this regard. I need extensions to do some of this. Tab stacking, for example, simply does not exist on Firefox, which means that my tab bar eventually makes me scroll horizontally.
Not badmouthing Firefox. Just saying that it isn't the greatest in this area. Am still using it daily. I just don't use it for tasks that require having many tabs at my disposal.
Edit: I didn't say that Edge comes with most OSs. But Windows is the most widespread Desktop OS, so most people will have access to Edge "out of the box".
Why not use Edge, which comes with the OS?
lol
Not with any of my OSes.
Fair enough. 🙂
Am sure all know what I'm talking about.
Inertia. For years: IE sucked and Mozilla was painfully slow and missing features. I know it’s been quite a few years since that was a thing, but people don’t like to change, so I really think it’s still leftover behavior.
Or at least it is for me, but I’m mostly in the Apple ecosystem now, so it’s not as relevant
Using edge is probably a bigger offense than using chrome.
I don't know they're likely getting most of the information from the OS anyway.
Installing chrome is like doubling it.
My computer doesn't come with edge
I go out of my way to purge Edge from Windows every time it works it's way back in no matter what registry edits I have to make, what Windows "features" it breaks or whatever script I have to write.
Edge is like having a roommate constantly hitting on you and occasionally withholding things from you when you reject them and you're basically over here going "They're already living with you, why not go with them instead of hooking up with someone from outside"
Chrome is ethically questionable admittedly at best, but Edge is straight up cancer.
Yes unfortunately I've found chromium is just much better than Firefox when it comes to tabs. It's at least a step removed from Chrome.
Chrome was pretty good and somewhat faster than FF for a while in the oughts. At least it felt that way, and Google didn't seem so evil at the time. My guess is people go with chrome out of inertia
Laughs in Firefox
After dragging my feet for years I finally moved back to Firefox a few weeks ago. Sure, there's a few features I miss from Chrome/Edge (vertical tabs, PWA support, tab groups, etc.) but I was able to 'fix' many issues with extensions and a custom userchrome.css, and trust is ultimately more important to me.
I'm thankful there are still free, open, privacy respecting options out there.
There are Tab Groups add-ons for Firefox. I’m sure there might be vertical tab add-ons, too.
As someone who never went to Chrome, I’m just sitting here trying not to be all “I told you so!” from when Chrome started to really take off a decade ago.
Step 1. Uninstall Chrome why are you still running it? Stop giving Google power over the internet. Just stop. Uninstall it. Use Firefox, Brave if you must. Just ditch Chrome.
Step 2. See above. Just flipping stop. No, don't install another browser and keep chrome. Just DITCH CHROME. TOTALLY. If you need a backup use Edge or Brave or Firefox. STOP GIVING GOOGLE POWER OVER THE INTERNET.
Unfortunately, it's not like it would realistically change the monopoly Google has over the internet. The greatest financial backer of Mozilla is Alphabet and if Firefox starts to gain too much traction, they will simply axe Mozilla and unless they manage to get another backer fast, Alphabet will have THE monopoly over the Internet.
Don't get me wrong, I'm doing my part and using Firefox (when it doesn't constantly crash), but Alphabet's holding way too many strings currently for any change to happen.
My understanding is that Google pays Firefox to use Google as the default search engine, which they also pay Apple for the same, so it's a win-win situation and unlikely Google would ever do such (especially since Chrome is already the dominant browser for user base)
To stop supporting Firefox would be begging for antitrust investigation (if not in the US then in the EU). Plus Mozilla would probably find another sponsor so all they'd be doing is draw attention to themselves. If it were a large piece of the marketshare at stake I could see it but Firefox is currently at 3-5% (depending on who you ask) so it's not even worth the aggravation.
Just install another more privacy friendly browser
Firefox is the only answer here
I personally use librewolf. Firefox is making it look like they are private, but you need to tweak a lot of settings to get there
They forgot to add "Switch to Firefox" at the end of the title
I read this article from top to bottom and didn't find a clear explanation of why you should disable this feature.
Because it doesn't protect your privacy (Google still tracks everything), but it gives Google an even stronger monopoly to make taking other actions to protect your privacy less viable.
The end game is still their web DRM pretending to be "security" to make it impossible for you to choose how a page is displayed to you.
Google doesn't track everything. The browser determines your interests locally; the only information shared with Google (and advertisers) is which broad topics you've recently shown an interest in.
It’s an underhanded way of implementing a browser supported foolproof adblock detector. Even its stated goal of “give advertisers a unified, browser backed, ‘private’ way of tracking you for advertising” isn’t especially appealing or useful when you get something better than that from adblock anyway. Turning it off will be reflected in telemetry sites gather about feature availability and hopefully low adoption numbers discourage them from taking advantage of this “feature”.
Hmm, not having read up on the tech, what's stopping someone from making a Firefox plugin that just spoofs fake data back? It's all done client side if I'm understanding, so everything necessary to do so must be available. Only wrinkle I could see is if they have signing and ship the cert with Chrome and regularly rotate it. It's still not impossible in that case, just more annoying.
My understanding is vague but the sandbox environment is cryptographically integrity checked in some fashion that makes the spoofing you’re suggesting difficult or impossible.
Well, I did a little digging, and while parts of the stuff proposed by Google might be tricky, the actual topics portion of the API looks pretty easy to spoof. It seems like there's really only two things that need to be done. The first is to spoof the feature detection logic to return true for calls to document.featurePolicy.allowsFeature('browsing-topics')
. The second would be to return randomly selected topics from all available topics from calls to document.browsingTopics()
(care might need to be taken to return a consistent set of random topics to a given page, otherwise clever sites might poll the API many times to detect randomness). That really seems to be all there is to the topics API part of this. As for spoofing the rest of the web DRM parts, that's going to be a lot trickier, but with control of the browser I can't see how it could be made insurmountable.
Everyone here has probably seen Scott McCloud's Contra Chrome web-comic. In the off chance you haven't, it details exactly why you shouldn't use Chrome.
I haven't seen it yet. Thanks for sharing.
Never seen it before. I'll give it a better read when I'm not so busy in a bit (taking a shit right now ;)
I hadn't seen it but am aware enough that it didn't reach me a whole lot. But still.
Damn.
Gawd Google really is just a despicable company
Let me guess ... every new update reverts Chrome back to default settings
Chrome feels like it's updated every week
Oh man! Time to give Google a damn good show of a ~~morbidly obese balding 40 something world of warcraft guy beating it heavily to lesbian futanari furry content staring into the camera as he gets busy!~~
Google wanted this to happen, so why not give those suckers the VIP First Class treatment?
Anybody else think of things that'll make those Google folk writhe in visual and audial agony and cut the privacy invasion act?