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    [–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 149 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Oh God, this brought back a traumatic memory. I was hanging out after hours at our office to look after a meetup group that was using our space that night. Nothing tricky, make sure people can get in, keep the lights on, make sure nobody sets the place on fire.

    I was plugging away on my personal laptop which had Linux on it. Having a great time doing something or other when one of the meetup organisers approached me with a USB stick and asked if I could help them print out some signs to help people know where to go.

    My install was rock solid, fast and set up exactly the way I wanted, but in that moment none of that mattered because it was me who froze. I thought back to all the decisions that lead me to that situation, even the conversation with a coworker a few months ago about Linux who literally said "I love Linux but one day I'm just afraid I'll have to print something or whatever and I won't be able to". How foolish I was to dismiss the wisdom in his words that day, and now my worst nightmare had come to pass.

    I swallowed hard, looked the organiser in the eyes, and told them I couldn't help them. I didn't even try. Best to rip the band-aid off, disappoint them now and get it over with. After the glaring admission left my mouth I waited for the inevitable response. I was a fraud, nothing more than a self proclaimed computer geek who couldn't accomplish a rudimentary task despite all my time studying and tinkering. It was over, I guess it wasn't imposter syndrome after all, I really was an imposter and now I'd been discovered.

    But instead the the organiser just smiled and said "that's totally ok, we were just a bit disorganised and didn't print it before coming this time. Thanks for your help anyway!" And everything was fine. This time.

    [–] activ8r@sh.itjust.works 39 points 4 months ago

    If it makes you feel any better I'm 99% sure I'd have done the same thing.

    [–] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 28 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    I would have tried anyway. Sometimes Linux works better with printing than Windows, some times the other way round. It just depends what the printer is and how you have your system setup.

    [–] Iapar@feddit.org 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    Just say how it is. "I can try but printers are notorious for making simple things difficult."

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    [–] Olap@lemmy.world 26 points 4 months ago

    Did you bite the bullet and go and print something the next day?

    [–] faintwhenfree@lemmus.org 12 points 4 months ago

    Now that brother, is storytelling.

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    [–] sturlabragason@lemmy.world 115 points 4 months ago (17 children)

    Weirdly enough I’ve found it much easier to print on linux. It just works out of the box.

    If it doesn’t it is definetly the printers manufacturer fault 😅

    [–] dan@upvote.au 67 points 4 months ago

    It's something we can thank Apple for. CUPS is the standard printing system on practically all non-Windows OSes, and Apple hired its developer and did a lot of work on improving it in the 2000s and 2010s.

    [–] Brujones@lemmy.world 17 points 4 months ago

    Me too. I have a Brother printer. When I first set it up, Windows printed everything in inverse black and white until I hunted down the correct driver. Windows also never figured out how to wake it up, so I always had to manually wake it up. And it simply never worked with the scanner.

    Linux got everything right without me having to fuss with anything.

    [–] Omega_Jimes@lemmy.ca 11 points 4 months ago

    My printer can print, but most of the other features are locked behind Brothers drivers. Copying/ scanning from the document feeder and duplex were kind of a pain to get working, and for some reason only work from certain programs.

    [–] communism@lemmy.ml 7 points 4 months ago

    Same here, a certain printer of mine just did not work with my Windows install whatsoever but works fine with CUPS lol

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    [–] silasmariner@programming.dev 66 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    Many years ago, my aunt bought an old, terribly specced laptop and couldn't get Windows to run on it. I installed Ubuntu and everything was fine - she could check her email and browse toxic conspiracy theories on Facebook and all was good with the world.

    Two years later when visiting I got my first support request - would I mind showing her how to print something? No problem, but would you mind showing me what you were trying? She was selecting menu items to send to a virtual printer, not the one on the network. I show her the correct printer to send to and the thing prints. Easy. Out of curiosity, I check the outbox queue for the virtual printer. Over a hundred documents, going back two years.

    For two years she'd been unable to print, and every single time she'd ever attempted to print something she'd followed the exact same steps that didn't work, and just accepted that this was the way things were.

    SMH.

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    [–] eager_eagle@lemmy.world 62 points 4 months ago

    printers are annoying

    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 52 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Printing works out of the box most of the time on Linux. However, if it doesn't work it really doesn't work

    [–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago

    That's the problem, then. They keep checking their printer for the printed pages, when they're really coming out of the box.

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    [–] Bluefruit@lemmy.world 50 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    Brother printers are your best bet. And maybe try sudo.

    [–] Crazyslinkz@lemmy.world 16 points 4 months ago

    Agreed, heard this many times. Finally pulled trigger and brought one this year.

    Print from linux? Print from android? Print from Mac? Print from windows?

    Yes! Mother fucking yes! All out of box and easy to install.

    [–] tektite@slrpnk.net 50 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    I'm new to Linux and was struggling to print from LibreOffice the other day because my printer suddenly wasn't listed.

    Hi, yeah, the printer wasn't plugged into the computer.

    [–] primrosepathspeedrun@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    see, this is why you linux cultists just cannot sway people, you're all pushing this insane operating system that can't even print to a printer that's powered off in a block of concrete launched to orbit a distant star and be a russel's teapot to drive any aliens sending probes out mad.

    [–] LeFantome@programming.dev 11 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    They are working on a pipewire plugin for that

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    [–] EuroNutellaMan@lemmy.world 42 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    printing is bad regardless of OS. Learn to draw and type very well and you will never need a printer, also curse everyone that forces you to use printers they should be shunned from society. We will have full digitalisation by bullying if necessary

    [–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 14 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    Printers are something they've actually figured out on the last few years.

    I can go somewhere I've never been, get the login for the network, and print documents from my phone without any downloading drivers, sacrificing goats or anything.

    [–] primrosepathspeedrun@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    you don't know how many drains that sysadmin installed under her altar, do you?

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    [–] rageagainstmachines@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    Have you also tried using Signal instead of WhatsApp? Sorry, had to do it.

    [–] ABasilPlant@lemmy.world 19 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    I do use Signal quite a bit. Some important contacts don't use it and hence, you see my using of WhatsApp.

    [–] Daxtron2@startrek.website 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    Strange that an arch user would be so tied to whatsapp

    [–] ABasilPlant@lemmy.world 20 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    I'm sending this to the guy in the photo :D

    (I use Debian on all my machines BTW)

    [–] ABasilPlant@lemmy.world 29 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)
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    [–] HouseWolf@lemm.ee 24 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Half my family just email whatever they want printing to my Dad and he prints it at his workplace.

    We've owned multiple printers over the years but 8/10 no matter what device you used, The printer just didn't work. The "Dad strategy" has never failed.

    [–] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 36 points 4 months ago

    First day at work for junior software engineer, he is super excited and stays late getting familiar with the project.

    Finally he gets up to leave and in the hallway he runs into the CEO himself, looking lost, standing with a piece of paper in his hand in front of a shredder.

    "Oh, thank God," says the CEO, "I thought everybody has left. Look, my secretary has gone and I only have two minutes until I have to be back in the conference call. Do you know how to work this thing?"

    The junior looks at the shredder, notices it's not plugged in, connects it, the thing turns on and he shows the CEO how to put in the paper and press the button. They watch the paper as it starts going in with a sigh of relief.

    "Thank you so much," says the CEO, "you're a life-saver. I only need one copy."

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    [–] wax@feddit.nu 21 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    Laughs in Archlinux and Brother printer

    [–] yamapikariya@lemmyfi.com 10 points 4 months ago

    Cries in the same

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    [–] OR3X@lemm.ee 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    I just recently went through some linux printer woes. When my toner cartridge got down below 25% documents spooled from my Linux machine would fail with an out of toner error. Files from windows and the diagnostic pages from the printer itself printed just fine. Turned out I had been using a slightly incorrect print driver on my Linux machine this entire time. After a TON of digging I managed to find the correct driver and was able to print again. Only wasted most of a morning figuring it out. Lol!

    [–] sundray@lemmus.org 16 points 4 months ago

    "Can someone help me figure out how to print a file?"

    "Pft, why would you want to?"

    [–] _____@lemm.ee 15 points 4 months ago

    Def a skill issue. But seeing as they are using arch I have no doubts that they will get over this and ultimately come out learning more about Linux and computers overall (which is probably their goal seeing as they are using arch)

    I've never had issues printing on arch (btw)

    [–] nexussapphire@lemm.ee 13 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    sudo pacman -Syu --needed cups system-config-printer avahi nss-mdns foomatic-{db,db-{engine, nonfree}}

    sudo systemctl enable --now cups.socket avahi-daemon.service

    Edit nss-mdns

    Rebooting after helps if it doesn't find the printer right away.

    [–] mlg@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    There's actually a surprising amount of linux printer drivers that don't come included with CUPS but are available for download from OEM sites. Canon ships an all in one tar.gz that includes PPD files, DEB and RPM install formats, and a lazy script to install it for you along with any dependencies.

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    [–] HStone32@lemmy.world 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    Odd how this is the opposite of my experience. My mother is unable to print or scan things 2/3 of the time on her HP printer using windows 10. You know, the OS whose parent company has very close relations with HP, and is updated in a manner that forces their users to use the most up-to-date official HP drivers, even going as far as to prevent them from using any other drivers, including the default windows ones.

    Meanwhile, my Linux laptop can operate the printer just fine. Never had an issue. I can even operate the loading tray, despite the HP tech support reps telling my mother it is broken.

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    [–] communism@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 months ago

    The main thing base Arch doesn't install is a bootloader and graphical environment. I think most of the time installing a DE also installs the various tools that may be missing from a fresh Arch install.

    In any case, I've never had trouble printing on Arch or Arch derivatives. Try following the Arch wiki article on CUPS. So long as you install CUPS I really don't see what printer problems could be attributed to Arch rather than problems with your printer and CUPS on Linux

    [–] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 9 points 4 months ago

    To be fair, printers are designed from black magic and require regular blood sacrifices. And that's with mainstream support, which arch is not.

    [–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 7 points 4 months ago

    does he have a hp printer?

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