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[–] hoodatninja@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago (27 children)

I mean it kind of needs to be both. But it’s hard to find a compelling reason why kids need their smartphones fully accessible during class.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Well, you can quickly search up some information. I don't remember what it was, but I remember that once in middle school teacher said something I wasn't quite sure about, but also I wouldn't ask if I wasn't more sure. So I looked it up, seeing that I was right, I asked if it rather wasn't meant to be that other thing, he checked too and indeed he was wrong.

Also, my mind often wanders off. And it may happen that I suddenly can't remember something. Could just be some word I could look up on my phone in less than a minute. Option B: Keep thinking about it till the rest of the class. I can't stop thinking about that until I either remember or find it.

Next, spine. I am currently in high school. Phones are allowed here. Any time. So, I utilized my scanner and digitized one 500 or so page book I couldn't find on the internet, and then used it as PDF instead of a physical book. It is less likely that I would forget my phone. I wish schools would have options for e-ink tablets instead of having to carry many heavy physical books. That used to be problem mostly in elementary school and middle school. Same goes for note taking.

Obviously, the last example can be easily solved by modernization.

Fast talking teachers. I can't write that fast. I mean, I can, but then I can't decipher my handwriting, which is already hard anyway. Voice recorder is a quick solution. Obviously, it is easier to look through notes than audio, but IT IS NOT MEANT TO BE A REPLACEMENT FOR NOTES, just a help.

But do take that with a pinch of salt. Especially in elementary school, I used to be one of those weird kids who greatly preferred being liked by the teacher over having friends. So even though I had a phone at the time, I never used it during classes because teachers disliked it.

But at least during breaks it should be allowed. Otherwise kids will find much more dangerous ways to entertain themselves.

[–] hoodatninja@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago

If you want to teach kids how to look up information, you can create spaces for that. They don’t need unrestricted access to their smart phones to accomplish that throughout the day. Hell you can relax your policies as they grow up and show the maturity to handle having a smart phone in the classroom. If schools want to do that, I am all in favor of it. But they would have to start early and build a system, which is a lot to ask of already overworked educators.

[–] braxy29@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

... yes, my phoneless childhood was super dangerous. it's amazing i survived a couple of decades without one!

[–] abraxas@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yes, life was so dangerous before the telephone. It's amazing anyone survived decades without them! 991, phaw, we had a bucket of water and a shotgun.

... in summary. The point should be that the next generation has an advantage over the previous, in all things.

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Option B: Keep thinking about it till the rest of the class. I can't stop thinking about that until I either remember or find it.

Option C: Write it down.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not like I am thinking about it to not forget what I wanted to remember. It's that it will keep bugging me until I remember.

[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

I have no idea what you're trying to say.

Bugging you until you remember? You write it so that you can't forget and so it stops bugging you.

Bugging you because you need that info itch scratched right now? Aka instant gratification. Then you have to learn to not need instant gratification. Seriously, it's another skill.

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[–] abraxas@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Well, by their teenage years, why not all the reasons adults need smartphones fully accessible? Looking up information from authoritative sources? Emergency contact? Coordinating schedules for office hours?

Schools often simultaneously demand more from children than workplaces do adults, and give them less opportunity to excel.

I'm not saying work-inappropriate phone use should be accepted, but taking them away entirely is downright irresponsible. Just like schools who still demand students write on a notebook instead of using a laptop. Raise your hand if you had RSI-related issues for a decade or more after high school? We old people tend to forget how bad school used to be (and can be) for physical and mental health AND for learning.

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[–] balderdash9@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 year ago

I can try to make the material interesting and be engaging but if you're watching Overwatch on your phone all of that is a moot point.

[–] Nobsi@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

"oh no i cannot play on my phone, how could school be so cruel"

[–] EvokerKing@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I actually doubt that phones are the major reason for a post like this. There are many reasons that you could fill in that only happen to some schools but phones happen to be the only one that applies to nearly every school. For example, at my school, our lunches have been cut down to shit 15 minutes at most, and if you buy lunch, it's much less. We usually have them call 5 minutes left. Sometimes they will say the kitchen is closed, sometimes they can't because people are still ordering.

[–] ShranTheWaterPoloFan@startrek.website 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

What would you prefer the school do?

How could they motivate you to actually pay attention in class instead of playing with your phone? Honestly ask yourself if this "addressing motivation" would make geometry more interesting than tiktok.

[–] cabbagee@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well said. Social media is designed specifically to hold attention and encourage addictive behavior. There's no way to compete.

[–] electrogamerman@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In one episode of hannah montanna they use a song and dance to learn about the skeleton bones. I still remember the song after like 10 years, lol

[–] _number8_@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

not treat students like indentured servants? productively encourage them to pay attention instead of imposing austere zero tolerance policies? do you really think that people in ancient greece paid attention to every second of lecture because there weren't any phones?

could you, yes you, in your day to day life, handle being forced to go through school again? to learn something new every hour of every weekday and being given obligatory deadlines, not even being paid for the work, having to be there at like 7:30am, having even less control over your personhood and freedom just a few years after being born?

school didn't have to suck as much as it did.

[–] BCsven@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 year ago

Sounds like everyday work life

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[–] pg_sax_i_frage@lemmy.wtf 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

yeah, too many school authorities do act taht way. For a approach going more in the opposite direction, see, for example: https://piped.video/watch?v=dk60sYrU2RU (maybe skip to aa minute in. presented, the idea, in that case, by sugata mitra. The Talk is not new, but still relevant I'd think, and relates to the post here. ) 💻🖥️

For anotger, similar, but also different example, see https://piped.video/watch?v=WNuv0_MLrKg this one specifically mentions phones early on, too.

So if you believe in, or are open to the idea, that the approach in in the main meme post isn't the best, then the stories in the piped videos might be of some intrest to you.

tdlr: 🎶you can use your phone if yiu want to, yiu can leave your technophobe schoolmaster behind,... 🎶🎧

[–] iemgus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

One thing I miss about reddit is that I could just filter out r/teenagers

[–] iforgotmyinstance@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

We've been so busy fighting extremists and gross fetish porn that we forgot to quarantine the annoying children.

[–] Packopus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

It's always rude to not listen. So phones should not be allowed during class.

However, It's rude not to allow breaks, growth, emergencies, and the fact that they are in fact, kids. They should be allowed to socialize, enjoy youth, and understand hierarchy/respect. So to earn respect, you must respect first.

Let the kids have their phones/computers as that is the modern world we live in. They will have technology. Don't discourage it just because some people learned "you won't always have a calculator in your pocket". Well, now you do, so rather than ban it, teach them to USE IT!!! Just... properly.

Adapt the teaching, not the class.

[–] someguy@lemmyland.com 1 points 1 year ago

If schools only focused on what students were motivated to learn, I'm not sure schools would really be accomplishing much. Not to say that schools shouldn't foster motivation in students. Just that technology, especially social media, is very effective at distracting people.

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