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[–] 2Password2Remember@hexbear.net 2 points 11 months ago (4 children)

imagine believing tiananmen square is in any way comparable to the rest of this list. OP showing their whole ass

Death to America

[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

what do you mean 300 deaths isn't in any way comparable to thousands/millions of deaths during the Holocaust, Aremnian genocide, Bengal famine, Operation Condor or Japanese occupation?

[–] littlecolt@lemm.ee 1 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Smooth-brained western Chinese apologists is not what I was expecting from the future of the internet even 5 years ago. Our atrocities are totally cool, eh? Nice.

[–] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

yeah, next the internet will be defending Iraqi incubator babies or Saddam's people-shredder.

also, very rude of you to assume im a mayo western cracker.

[–] UnicodeHamSic@hexbear.net 1 points 11 months ago

No, it is true. US tried to stir up some trouble and it didn't work. That is import to remember the people that dies because of US greed

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What is a western China? There's only one China.

If you try act like a redditor and go "its what i call taiwan" then you're literally bumbling around like a drunken dipshit who insists calling the United States "Northern Florida". Although if we're to make more accurate historical inference, it would be apt to say you're the equivalent of those "The South Shall Rise Again" cross-burning confederate dipshits that never shut up about the massive L you took

[–] commiewithoutorgans@hexbear.net 1 points 11 months ago

They mean Chinese apologists from the west.

I for one am not apologizing for much of anything really. Mistakes have been made but the party has grown from that and critiques those. None of these are what these anti-chinese people are saying though

[–] commiewithoutorgans@hexbear.net 0 points 11 months ago

Atrocity propaganda is a real phenomenon used by westerners to inflate problems of non-western societies and deflate the genocides done by the west. You've fallen for it

[–] RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

But you are currently admitting it happened, right?

[–] 2Password2Remember@hexbear.net 1 points 11 months ago

yeah buddy, ya got me. the cia's attempt to overthrow the communist party of China failed, but succeeded in getting a few hundred people killed. not exactly the Holocaust libs love to claim it was

Death to America

[–] zephyreks@programming.dev -1 points 11 months ago

Hundreds, thousands, millions. It's all the same because people died and the people that died weren't white.

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 2 points 11 months ago (4 children)

CBS NEWS: “We saw no bodies, injured people, ambulances or medical personnel — in short, nothing to even suggest, let alone prove, that a “massacre” had occurred in [Tiananmen Square]”

BBC NEWS: “I was one of the foreign journalists who witnessed the events that night. There was no massacre on Tiananmen Square”

NY TIMES: In June 13, 1989, NY Times reporter Nicholas Kristof – who was in Beijing at that time – wrote, “State television has even shown film of students marching peacefully away from the [Tiananmen] square shortly after dawn as proof that they [protesters] were not slaughtered.” In that article, he also debunked an unidentified student protester who had claimed in a sensational article that Chinese soldiers with machine guns simply mowed down peaceful protesters in Tiananmen Square.

REUTERS: Graham Earnshaw was in the Tiananmen Square on the night of June 3. He didn’t leave the square until the morning of June 4th. He wrote in his memoir that the military came, negotiated with the students and made everyone (including himself) leave peacefully; and that nobody died in the square.

200-300 people died in clashes in various parts of Beijing, around June 4 — and about half of those who died were soldiers and cops..

A Wikileaks cable from the US Embassy in Beijing (sent in July 1989) also reveals the eyewitness accounts of a Latin American diplomat and his wife: “They were able to enter and leave the [Tiananmen] square several times and were not harassed by troops. Remaining with students … until the final withdrawal, the diplomat said there were no mass shootings in the square or the monument.”

Numerous military buses, trucks, armored vehicles, and tanks being burned by the “peaceful” protesters. Sometimes the soldiers were allowed to escape, and sometimes they were brutally killed by the protesters. Numerous protesters were armed with Molotov cocktails and even guns.

Wall Street Journal: In an article from June 5, 1989, the Wall Street Journal described some of this violence: “Dozens of soldiers were pulled from trucks, severely beaten and left for dead. At an intersection west of the square, the body of a young soldier, who had been beaten to death, was stripped naked and hung from the side of a bus.”

The official report of the Chinese government from 1989 (translated here) shows that more than 1000 military and police vehicles were burned by rioters. And 200+ soldiers and policemen were murdered. Just imagine how much restraint the military and the police had shown.

Wait, how could the protesters kill so many soldiers? Because, until the very end, Chinese soldiers were unarmed. Most of the times, they didn’t even have helmets or batons.

What exactly happened in Beijing in 1989 that lead to this bloody affair?

The answer lies with two key figures: General Secretary Hu Yaobang, and Ambassador James Lilley.

Hu Yaobang was a member of the communist party of China and was one of the three major rightist-reformers that set China on the path its on today, the other two being Zhao Ziyang, and Deng Xiaoping respectively. Hu Yaobang as a reformer was also a spokesman for the intelligentsia and by the end of his life was well-beloved by the youth of China (we're talking below 30 here, folks) therefore when he passed away the youth of China organized public grieving events with the largest occurring in Beijing. This is to say if Hu didn't die from old age that year, none of this would've happened that year. This is to also say this event had nothing to do with "freedom" or "democracy" or whatever pigshit your favorite rush limburger propagandist spoon feeds you, it was a funeral service that was hijacked to unseat the Chinese government - which so coincidentally is a speciality of the agency the second person we're talking about.

Ambassador James Lilley, the son of an american expat oil executive for Standard Oil, was a CIA agent operating in east Asia from 1951 to 1981 with little officially known about him (I know for a fact he's fucked around Korea and Laos, so it's not a stretch to say he's likely been involved with every conflict that occured during his official career). In his "post" CIA career he's acted as a diplomatic liason to the provice of Taiwan, a teacher to future state department ghouls, and "helped" South Korea end its military dicatorship by helping the military win the election "democratically", and abruptly five days after the death of General Secretary Hu Yaobang James Lilley was appointed as the US Ambassador to China by also former CIA ghoul and president of the United States George H. W. Bush. What an astounding coincidence.

In an article from Vancouver Sun (17 Sep 1992) described the role of the CIA: “The Central Intelligence Agency had sources among [Tiananmen Square] protesters” … and “For months before [the protests], the CIA had been helping student activists form the anti-government movement.”

[–] DBVegas@hexbear.net 1 points 11 months ago

Lmao was just about to say, one of these is not like the other.

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 1 points 11 months ago

And just a reminder. In communist China, you can be a pain in the ass by obstructing tanks trying to exist a parade, argue with the commander, then get rushed away by other normal people going "dude what the Hell's your problem"

In capitalist America if you step out of line by doing something as minor a exersizing your constitutional rights, you'll be maimed or murdered. Hell sometimes you'll get maimed and murdered because the schutzstaffel feel like it

[–] littlecolt@lemm.ee 0 points 11 months ago (2 children)

You useful idiots are going to be among the first against the wall to find out about China's mercy I imagine. You'll demand to fellate the firing squad beforehand.

[–] Flinch@hexbear.net 1 points 11 months ago

When the People's Liberation Army makes landfall on the western shores of North America, I will be here to greet them as heroes mao-wave

[–] mayo_cider@hexbear.net 1 points 11 months ago

Useful idiots believing CBS, NY Times, Reuters and BBC?

[–] doctorcrimson@lemmy.today 0 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I do appreciate skepticism wherever applicable, but China keeps getting handed from one Dictatorship to another so it's hard to see them as victims unless they make some effort to change in more ways than just economically. It also sounds like complete bullshit that the "armed and dangerous protestors" died in equal number to "unarmed and unhelmeted military personnel." Like, for real? Those tanks in a line were made of cardboard?

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[–] ProxyTheAwesome@hexbear.net 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

One of these is not like the other

[–] Gorilladrums@sh.itjust.works 1 points 11 months ago

You're right, asking a woman her age is not an atrocity

[–] andthenthreemore@startrek.website 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

The Australian's about their treatment of ~~aborigines~~ first nation Australians

The Irish about mother and baby homes.

China about Uyghurs

[–] zephyreks@programming.dev 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Didn't a bunch of Muslim countries actually ask China about Uyghurs (and even visit Xinjiang) and they left unanimously content with the response?

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 1 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Yes. The only country worried about it is the same one that's actually killed millions of Muslims over the last 20 years

[–] alcoholicorn@hexbear.net 1 points 11 months ago

Well yeah, of course I'd trust the experts in genocide over countries that have no experience.

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] VapeNoir@hexbear.net 1 points 11 months ago

They only did it to bring them democracy!

[–] leanleft@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago

good way to ruin a dinner party. with all those people.

[–] Samsy@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The US about indigenous Americans.

Oh wait, they made hundreds of movies about killing them.

[–] kfc@hexbear.net 1 points 11 months ago

That really is one of the most absurd things about the American Empire. They'll come and destroy your people, taint and corrupt your land with bones and blood, bomb you back into the stone age, and then make a trillion dollar budget film about how it made them feel sad. The othering is so powerful that emotions only exist within the walls of capital

[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 1 points 11 months ago

Lmfao genocides and student protests that turned violent are the same thing

[–] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I don't know if I would have used Tiananmen Square.

The Uighur re-education cities seems far more fitting.

[–] Gorilladrums@sh.itjust.works 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Marxist regimes tend be the most murderous and most sensitive. The CCP literally murdered tens of millions of people and they're banning clothes "that hurt China's feelings" (actual quote)

[–] Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 11 months ago

China is not Marxist. It is capitalist under communist disguise.

[–] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago (3 children)

It's almost like every government commits atrocities at some point or another.

[–] ProxyTheAwesome@hexbear.net 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There's a difference between quickly suppressing a color revolt that is killing soldiers vs. invasions and coups that kill and displace millions of people. If Tiananmen revolt had spread or succeeded then a LOT more people would have died, and China would now be a western puppet instead of a sovereign nation.

[–] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Let us look at a specific example. A claim like “There’s cultural genocide of Uyghurs in Xinjiang” is simply unreal to most Westerners, close to pure gibberish. The words really refer to existing entities and geographies, but Westerners aren’t familiar with them. The actual content of the utterance as it spills out is no more complex or nuanced than “China Bad,” and the elementary mistakes people make when they write out statements of “solidarity” make that much clear. This is not a complaint that these people have not studied China enough — there’s no reason to expect them to study China, and retrospectively I think to some extent it was a mistake to personally have spent so much time trying to teach them. It’s instead an acknowledgment that they are eagerly wielding the accusation like a club, that they are in reality unconcerned with its truth-content, because it serves a social purpose.

What is this social purpose? Westerners want to believe that other places are worse off, exactly how Americans and Canadians perennially flatter themselves by attacking each others’ decaying health-care systems, or how a divorcee might fantasize that their ex-lover’s blooming love-life is secretly miserable. This kind of “crab mentality” is actually a sophisticated coping mechanism suitable for an environment in which no other course of action seems viable. Cognitive dissonance, the kind that eventually spurs one into becoming intolerant of the status quo and into action, is initially unpleasant and scary for everybody. In this way, we can begin to understand the benefit that “victims” of propaganda derive from carelessly “spreading awareness.” Their efforts feed an ambient propaganda haze of controversy and scandal and wariness that suffocates any painful optimism (or jealousy) and ensuing sense of duty one might otherwise feel from a casual glance at the amazing things happening elsewhere. People aren’t “falling” for atrocity propaganda; they’re eagerly seeking it out, like a soothing balm.

https://redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels/

[–] Gorilladrums@sh.itjust.works -1 points 11 months ago

A whole lot of words to say very little. No, people believe evidence. Evidence shows that the Chinese government is in fact committing a cultural genocide. From satellite imagery, to official CCP documents to thousands of victim testimonies (which all align btw) to pictures and videos of the camps, of cultural sites being demolished or converted to showing the CCP's forces intimidating people. It's indisputable. The only people who cry, lie, and deny that the CCP's actions are brain dead tankies like you and the CCP itself. There's a reason why the CCP refused to allow the UN to conduct an independent investigation. There's a reason why the CCP bans foreign journalists from visiting Xinjiang. There's a reason why they are pumping so much fake propaganda to try and deny it. They know it's happening, everybody knows it's happen.

You're a brain damaged tankie. I know you don't care about facts and I know you're too willfully ignorant to accept any evidence. My point is just to demonstrate that the propaganda you speak of is being chugged by the likes of you, not the people you accuse.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

It's almost like

Standard issue Reddit format opener is already a bad start.

every government commits atrocities at some point or another

What is the point of such a claim? Is the implication that all governments are equally bad? That is both lazy and absurd. Is this some veiled libertarian pitch in favor of ostensibly less government, except still a government and less accountable?

[–] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Reading comprehension. Learn it. You've read a basic statement and put a meaning to it so you can fight someone on the internet. Never said anything about how equal the atrocities were.

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 1 points 11 months ago

Reading comprehension. Learn it.

Is it even possible for you to reply without coming across as smug and condescending? smuglord

Never said anything about how equal the atrocities were.

Of course you didn't. You used the wormy Reddit plausible-deniability format where you imply your position without actually committing to it.

[–] Gorilladrums@sh.itjust.works -1 points 11 months ago

No, it's an acknowledgement that pointing out random countries and saying that they committed atrocities with implication of exclusivity is both false and meaningless. For example, countries that had Marxism stain their histories, have seen some of the worst atrocities ever. Marxist regimes are some of the most murderous, extreme, and destructive in human history. It is fair and valid to acknowledge, spread awareness, and learn about these atrocities as well criticize the individuals and regimes responsible, but at the same time time it is stupid and wrong to try and claim that the people of these nations are responsible for the atrocities of their countrymen, past or present, or that their country is in a lesser tier on the morality scale because of the Marxist regimes.

[–] SaltyIceteaMaker@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Was about to comment "the germans about ww2" but then remembered that we are quite open about that time. Wouldn't have made much sense either as there would be no use in evem trying to hide it

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 1 points 11 months ago

Genocide of the Ovaherero and Nama peoples in Namibia by Germans.