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I'm not complaining, more new games the better, and some of them are very interesting.

Also, at least some of these youtubers turned devs have tried Pathfinder and that wasn't it, so spare the "why won't they just play Pathfinder?" comments

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[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 81 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Crazy how becoming an expert on a creative subject and dedicating years to developing and discussing feedback on your unique perspective leads one to pursue creative endeavors

[–] Kichae@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 months ago (3 children)

That creative endeavor: A 5e clone with Blades' progress clocks slapped on top of it.

[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Beats my contribution, all I do nowadays is run things in ORE. Stolze turned me into a core mechanic snob.

[–] TheGreatDarkness@ttrpg.network 2 points 5 months ago

A lot of rpgs I see made this way go long way from 5e clone.

[–] TheGreatDarkness@ttrpg.network 2 points 4 months ago

A lot of the games that I see coming out are faar from a "5e clone". No need to be rude to people who are creative for not just playing pathfinder.

[–] AdellcomdoisL@beehaw.org 22 points 5 months ago (2 children)

The weird part is that it only works if you transition

[–] DudeDudenson@lemmings.world 5 points 5 months ago

Was gonna say I was initially confused on why going so far into D&D made you transition

[–] Sas@beehaw.org 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I transitioned but the lack of approval from my friends regarding the rule changes kept me from being motivated enough to write my own rulebook. We play a different rule system than DnD and my friends were like "Oh no, we like our fights uninteresting. Motivates us to seek other solutions" which is great that they're choosing non violent solutions but sometimes fights are unavoidable.

Funny enough, some of my proposed rule changes later appeared in an extra rule book by the official authors because they also thought that fights could be more interesting. Sadly I had no hand in that but I'm glad it happened because my friends are really heavy on sticking to official rules. Sorry this kinda turned into a rant.

[–] AdellcomdoisL@beehaw.org 2 points 5 months ago

Sounds like they supported your transition but not your homebrewing skills, so at least their hearts was in the right place.

[–] bob_lemon@feddit.org 20 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Any DM can tell you that the D&D 5e rules are outright terrible in some major aspects, like magic item classification (go look at every "major rare" magic item and see how v wildly different they are in terms is vusefulness) or monster abilities (mostly just removing spellcasting for no reason).

So it's no wonder that seasoned DMs homebrew (or use/adapt other DMs' homebrew).

[–] mogoh@lemmy.ml 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

You might be right - I have not DM'd 5e enough to judge. But I can say that every D&D edition has some major flaws. This is not 5e-specific.

[–] TheGreatDarkness@ttrpg.network 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I would go further, this isi an issue with EVERY game, not just D&D

[–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 4 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It is by far not as bad in many other games as in D&D IMO

I feel like D&D has a content problem, as in they're trying to push as much content out, at the cost of the quality of that content, and they're not spending that time improving the game as that would make the content incompatible.

[–] TheGreatDarkness@ttrpg.network 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

That's been true for multiple d&d editions too, especially 3/3.5 and 2e (argurably this is what killed TSR). 5e/ODD should have learned from these lessons, but shareholders jsut want to see the line go up, I guess.

[–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Oh absolutely, and on top of that the newer systems try to be backwards compatible with the older systems, so that content can be ported even easier... But the system makes little sense to newcomers.

One simple example for me, is how arcane generating your stats is.
Skill checks used to use 3d6, and you used to roll 3d6 for each of your stats. This made sense.
Now skill checks use 1d20+mod, but you roll 4d6dl six times, note them separately, assign them to your ability scores... And then subtract 10 and then divide by two. These you note in a little box for the modifier. No, your Strength didn't just become 19 instead of 16, we just generated the 16 so we know you roll 1d20+3 whenever you roll for strength.
Why did we even generate those bigger numbers? Do we use them anywhere? Well, the short story is “not really, they're just backwards compatibility”...

[–] miracleorange@beehaw.org 19 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I mean, it only makes sense, doesn't it? You spend so much time thinking about the rules and start to notice things you don't like, so you decide to tweak things until one day you just went on a three day bender of rules documents and spreadsheets.

[–] AFallingAnvil@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm in this picture and I don't like it.

But actually nowadays I just have like 47 different systems sitting around so i'm prepared for when I want to run a giant mecha Monster Hunter/Iron Chef galactic cooking show RPG

[–] TheGreatDarkness@ttrpg.network 1 points 5 months ago

Publish your systems.

[–] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I don't think I understand this meme template. Also am I going blind or is the text kind of small and blurry?

Do people still make fantasy heartbreakers? That's where someone's only really played D&D sets out to make their own game. It's full of passion and enthusiasm, but it kind of sucks because it doesn't stray far from D&D. So you get a "creative new breakthrough" that's like "our six stats go from 1-10" instead of, like, "We realized we don't need stats like that at all"

[–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 7 points 5 months ago

There are many completely different TTRPGs out there, even ones that came from people who worked on/with D&D, such as Numenera (by Monte Cook who made many D&D adventures and supplements) and Daggerheart (made by a duo of TTRPG YouTubers/streamers)

[–] Infynis@midwest.social 9 points 5 months ago
[–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 9 points 5 months ago (2 children)

First thing that comes to mind is Daggerheart by Spencer Stark and Matt Mercer, but yes this happens multiple times.

Can't wait for Matthew Colville's inevitable TTRPG design!

[–] Klordok@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 3 points 5 months ago

Whelp, of course it is! Thanks for the link!

[–] Graycliff@ttrpg.network 2 points 5 months ago

Me too, I backed the project but I'm not on the Patreon, so I gotta wait for my packet, lol. But if James was right in the last Q&A they posted to the YouTube, it should be out sometime next month!

[–] Icalasari@fedia.io 7 points 5 months ago

I skipped the first three and started on making a homebrew

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 months ago

I'm this version

[–] Atlas48@ttrpg.network 3 points 5 months ago

Man, I need to make a World of Darkness game.

[–] Aielman15@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

I don't have/follow a dnd YT channel, but I do homebrew everything I play.

You couldn't pay me enough to play a vanilla 5e fighter, and OneDnD sucks balls.

[–] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 2 points 4 months ago

The type of person that gets deep into TTRPG systems for their rules design will eventually want to apply what they learned (or think they learned) towards making a system themselves. Like with any skill, you want to flex it once you acquired it.

[–] Pregnenolone@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago

You also become a woman in that time