Well, they're saying they are. They're definitely still on board behind the scenes and they'll be public about it if Trump wins.
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Gotta love that the greatest strength of fascism is also it's biggest weakness. Fascists value a strongman mentality and flock to powerful and influential people. As soon as there is any sign of weakness or drop in influence, it crumbles under it's own weight.
I'll be honest, living through interesting times sucks but watching the second collapse of American fascism is pretty interesting.
Wait until we’re sure before saying American fascism is collapsing. Poke it with a stick. Maybe shoot it. Many times.
Absolutely, it's not over until we seal the lead coffin. The signs are there that it's falling apart though, and I'm enjoying it
It will inevitably collapse at some point, but we don't know yet if it will do massive damage before it does.
Potentially irreversible damage, we have extremely little time to take meaningful action on climate change and if trump gets to appoint judges for the next 4 years the situation very easily could be unrecoverable
You're optimistic.
It's like a political Family Circus cartoon!
"Okay, who's responsible for Project 2025?!"
"Not me!"
"Not me!"
Except they are only 'scurrying away' as a public position. In private, it's the exact opposite.
""Remember everyone who died from COVID?" Dans said. "Remember that disastrous pullout in Afghanistan? Even remember what happened on Saturday? All these are products of this deep state, and we need to re-infuse political control over this bureaucracy. And that's the importance of Project 2025.""
https://kbin.run/m/politics@lemmy.world/t/559814/This-is-the-secret-Away-from-the-stage-Trump-allies
lmao
"Remember all the things he did? He didn't do them! The guy who shot at Trump? Obviously a deep state bureaucrat!"
I really have to wonder how you can hear stuff like that and still think that supporting these people is worth it for whatever political views one might have.
Like, even if you hate abortions from the bottom of your hart, even if you love guns do much that you use them as dildos, how can you see these clowns and think you should give them any responsibility whatsoever?
When conservatives show you who they are, believe them the first time.
Project 2025 Mandate For Leadership (direct PDF link) is a document with very conflicting policy objectives, yet it shows the detailed goals of the various arms of the party. In order to keep the coalition together, each conservative voter will have to accept that only one of the two terrible "rightwing" options will be implemented but will aim to get what they want elsewhere.
Examples: They could get extreme economic protectionism but don't get to ban gay marriage. Or they could get free trade to the point of taxpayer funded corporate subsidies like the Foxconn boondoggle, but social conservatives are appeased in return, as they get to make female and trans lives miserable.
So this document is important for liberals, leftists and progressives to at least skim over, as even if each conservative will take issue on many of the stances contained, it is the charcuterie board of awful policies that conservatives and Republicans will be sampling if we allow them to take power.
As this Opinion writer for the American Prospect writes, and Cory Doctorow has discussed, this conservative playbook isn't new but the latest revised edition (in a line of conservative policy documents spanning the years), and this document that on the surface appears like a manifesto of rightwing unity actually shows clearly where their divisions lie. Thus it is important for the left to acknowledge, understand it and use this Mandate for Leadership to our advantage to strike right where conservatives think other conservatives are crazy.
Conservative Organizations Are Quietly Scurrying Away From Project 2025
Calling bullshit on that.
They're avoiding talking about it, not actually distancing themselves from it.
That, i’d believe.
If sunlight disinfects it, it's either moldy or vampiric.
They're just trying to shift back to keeping their desire for a plutocratic/christofascist autocracy on the down-low.
The problem is that their goals are explicitly anti-American, but their supporters tend to pride themselves on being, if anything, ultra-American.
And as more of the details of Project 2025 are revealed, an increasing number of those lunkheads are starting to go, "Derrr... hey, wait a minnit! This don't sound very American to me!"
So the fascists have shifted to that age-old "What, that? I don't know anything about that - someone else must've left it here. Just ignore it."
Like cockroaches, they scurry away when you turn the light on. And like cockroaches, they'll scurry back when the light is off again.
Are they really though?
They forgot to keep their secret plans secret.
They think a lot more people support them than actually do.
Has anyone aggregated a list of the orgs involved that we could just have them on blast as well?
This is the link to the list of Project 2025 Advisory Board members.
They'll embrace it like a long lost lover once they take power
What’s left to support? The project was to make a plan and recruit people. The plan is made. The people are recruited.
To whatever extent they implement the plan, they don’t have to fess up to following the principles, research, or scenarios detailed in it.
It’s probably better for them to claim it’s an original thought anyway, regardless of the toxicity of the associated name.
The US needs to agree to abolish the two party system. This shit show will never end until enough of both parties have realised this.
Canada has multiple parties but only one of two are chosen come federal election time.
You/we need to change to a different system, ie: proportional representation or ranked choice voting, in order to change the outcome.
You mean TRUMP'S project 2025?? Good! Everyone should be steering far clear from it.