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Trump says Taiwan should pay the US for its defence as ‘it doesn’t give us anything’
(www.theguardian.com)
I'M PRETTY SURE THEY MAKE ALL OF OUR MICROCHIPS???
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Oh plenty of chips used in US come from mainland China, including military uses https://www.forbes.com/sites/erictegler/2024/01/09/americas-carriers-rely-on-chinese-chips-our-depleted-munitions-too/
well that's good. but the microchip industry is why we're protecting Taiwan for the most part, right? besides the whole having a foothold in the sea near China just to annoy them
I imagine geopolitical concerns are the primary reason for US interest in controlling Taiwan. I'm not even sure what US is protecting the chip industry from exactly. It's not like US isn't utterly dependent on China for manufacturing already, and China is clearly perfectly happy to export chips to US. The whole problem ultimately stems from the irrational US policy towards China.
Yes, it's all the US doing this to poor China... Sure. Okay.
It's literally the burger empire coming half way across the world to fuck around in China's internal affairs. I sincerely hope Russia starts funding and supporting a separatist movement in Texas, so that burgerlanders can experience what that feels like first hand.
I work closely with people in Taiwan and China is DEFINITELY the asshole in the situation. Like a big bad "You need to get punched in the face until you stop assholing" asshole. The nuance is almost all manufactured, like Twinkies and Fox News outrage. Like for real, super seriously. Like how Russia is the asshole in the Ukraine and how Israel is the asshole in well... Israel.
While the US govt. has selfish economic and ideological reasons for supporting Taiwan, it is ONE thing I'm in favor of it doing. I don't like bullies. No one should like bullies.
US is literally the global bully that's fucking around in China's internal affairs here. Not only that, but US is a deplorable kind of bully that speaks with a forked tongue:
The United States approach to Taiwan has remained consistent across decades and administrations. The United States has a longstanding one China policy, which is guided by the Taiwan Relations Act, the three U.S.-China Joint Communiques, and the Six Assurances. We oppose any unilateral changes to the status quo from either side; we do not support Taiwan independence; and we expect cross-Strait differences to be resolved by peaceful means. We continue to have an abiding interest in peace and stability across the Taiwan Strait.
I don't disagree.
But that doesn't change anything I said. The US does not have a monopoly on assholery.
EDIT: Who would downvote this other than sockpuppet accounts controlled by OP? Maybe some idiot tankies, I guess. lol.
But that doesn’t change anything I said
You said nothing.
Yet, US is the asshole that's coming half way across the world to meddle in another country's internal affairs. It'd be akin to China funding and arming an independence movement in Texas.
It’d be akin to China funding and arming an independence movement in Texas.
No, it would be akin to China funding and arming the US if England decided to say "Hey, you used to be English! We think you still are. We plan to come over there and replace your government. Also, we're murdering our own citizens if they strongly disagree with this policy."
Are you gonna deny that? It's a SUPER bad look.
Taiwan is literally a province of China as even US acknowledges. The SUPER bad look is to try and justify the interference by burger empire in other countries.
I talk to people there everyday. Taiwan doesn't WANT to be a province of China and anyone who thinks it should be is a dick (and probably a sock puppet for the Chinese Communist Party - it's gonna be pretty hard to keep doing your job here without looking just like one of those). End of discussion.
I talk to people there everyday.
Wait till you find out about the concept of selection bias.
Meanwhile, ideas don't form in a vacuum. US had political capture of Taiwan for many decades drowning it in its propaganda. US interference in Taiwan politics and media is very well documented. US has poured countless millions into shaping the opinions of the people in Taiwan through orgs like NED, it directly grooms US politicians such as Tsai Ing-Wen. This is what's known as cultural hegemony.
- US National Endowment for Democracy - REMARKS PREPARED BY NATIONAL ENDOWMENT FOR DEMOCRACY PRESIDENT CARL GERSHMAN AND READ BY ANDREW NATHAN AT TECRO DINNER WITH TAIWAN PRESIDENT TSAI ING-WEN (2019): https://www.ned.org/remarks-prepared-by-national-endowment-for-democracy-president-carl-gershman-and-read-by-andrew-nathan-at-tecro-dinner-with-taiwan-president-tsai-ing-wen/
- US National Endowment for Democracy - TAIWAN PRESIDENT TSAI ING-WEN HONORS PRESIDENT OF NED CARL GERSHMAN ON HUMAN RIGHTS DAY (2019): https://www.ned.org/taiwan-president-tsai-ing-wen-honors-ned-human-rights-day/
- US National Endowment for Democracy - REMARKS BY CARL GERSHMAN UPON RECEIVING THE PRESIDENTIAL MEDAL IN TAIWAN: https://www.ned.org/taiwans-destiny/
Sunflower Movement Leader Lin Fei-fan’s Associations with the US NED
- Taipei Times - Beijing using free market to influence Taiwanese media, US symposium told (2013): https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2013/03/02/2003556088
- The Diplomat - Sunflowers End Occupation of Taiwan’s Legislature (archived, 2014): http://web.archive.org/web/20140411235449/https://thediplomat.com/2014/04/sunflowers-end-occupation-of-taiwans-legislature/
- Taiwan News - Former Sunflower Movement activists join DPP, Lin Fei-fan pledges to help DPP win election, prevent pro-Beijing forces from taking power (2019): https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3744833
Democratic Progressive Party (DPP)’s regular Reporting to AIT
- Wikileaks - TSAI ING-WEN COMMENTS ON DPP TURMOIL (2005): https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/05TAIPEI4870_a.html
- Wikileaks - DPP CHAIRPERSON TSAI ING-WEN ON CHALLENGES FACING PARTY AND U.S. ARMS SALES (2008): https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08TAIPEI892_a.html
- Wikileaks - DIRECTOR'S FAREWELL CALL ON DPP CHAIR TSAI ING-WEN (2009): https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09TAIPEI754_a.html
However, despite all that, the overwhelming majority of people in Taiwan want to maintain the status quo. The desire for Taiwanese independence has experienced a significant drop over the past three years, with only 25.3% of people who want to “move toward independence” or seeking “independence as soon as possible” - down from nearly one-third - 32.4% - in 2020.
https://esc.nccu.edu.tw/eng/PageDoc?fid=7424
So yea, end of discussion. You're a peddler of imperialism and you should be ashamed of yourself.
You lost me at denying the existence of Palestine
So how much is the US going to start directly paying China for all the stuff they make?
Trumps brain is going to end up in a gemcutting exhibit so people can marvel at its profound smoothness
Oh nothing... its just $160B in trade the United States does, nothing much.
U.S. goods and services trade with Taiwan totaled an estimated $160.0 billion in 2022. Exports were $54.5 billion; imports were $105.5 billion. The U.S. goods and services trade deficit with Taiwan was $51.0 billion in 2022.
U.S. goods exports to Taiwan in 2022 were $44.2 billion, up 20.1 percent ($7.4 billion) from 2021 and up 82 percent from 2012. U.S. goods imports from Taiwan totaled $91.7 billion in 2022, up 19.1 percent ($14.7 billion) from 2021, and up 136 percent from 2012. U.S. exports to Taiwan account for 2.1 percent of overall U.S. exports in 2022. The U.S. goods trade deficit with Taiwan was $47.5 billion in 2022, a 18.1 percent increase ($7.3 billion) over 2021.
U.S. exports of services to Taiwan were an estimated $10.3 billion in 2022, 2.4 percent ($243 million) more than 2021, and 11 percent less than 2012 levels. U.S. imports of services from Taiwan were an estimated $13.8 billion in 2022, 38.8 percent ($3.9 billion) more than 2021, and 131 percent greater than 2012 levels. Leading services exports from the U.S. to Taiwan were in the intellectual property, transportation, and travel sectors. The United States had a services trade deficit of an estimated $3.5 billion with Taiwan in 2022, down 3802.1 percent from 2021.
U.S. foreign direct investment (FDI) in Taiwan (stock) was $16.7 billion in 2022, a 2.7 percent increase from 2021. U.S. direct investment in Taiwan is led by manufacturing, finance and insurance, and wholesale trade.
Taiwan's FDI in the United States (stock) was $16.1 billion in 2022, up 1.1 percent from 2021. Taiwan's direct investment in the U.S. is led by manufacturing, depository institutions, and wholesale trade.
The U.S. goods and services trade deficit with Taiwan was $51.0 billion in 2022.
That confirms the title.
U.S. goods and services trade with China totaled an estimated $758.4 billion in 2022.
So how much money can China expect to be given for 4 times as much trade?
Nothing as US doesn not protect China
US doesn't protect anybody, it uses people as geopolitical pawns and then discards them like used condoms.
You're telling Israel is doing what is doing with no US protection whatsoever?
No, it's just not at the discarding phase yet because the conditions did not changed very much since 1948 so it's still needed and relevant.
Perhaps trump should pay for his secret service defence as he doesn't give america anything.
He is not smart to realize Taiwan’s strategic value. I hope no one tells him
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Donald Trump has said Taiwan should pay the US for protection from China, calling into question Washington’s support for the island democracy should he win back the White House in November’s presidential election.
In an interview with Bloomberg Businessweek on Tuesday, Trump was asked if he would defend Taiwan against China if he wins the US election in November.
TSMC is spending billions building new factories overseas, including $65bn on three plants in the US state of Arizona, though it says most manufacturing will remain in Taiwan.
Trump’s comments added to signs that the US approach to China could be hawkish – but potentially unpredictable – should he win in November.
Elsewhere in the interview the former president pledged that he would impose tariffs on China of between 60 and 100%, but that he would back down on banning the China-owned app, TikTok.
Trump’s newly announced running mate, JD Vance, told Fox News on Tuesday the US should be focused on China as its greatest security threat.
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