well that's good. but the microchip industry is why we're protecting Taiwan for the most part, right? besides the whole having a foothold in the sea near China just to annoy them

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I imagine geopolitical concerns are the primary reason for US interest in controlling Taiwan. I'm not even sure what US is protecting the chip industry from exactly. It's not like US isn't utterly dependent on China for manufacturing already, and China is clearly perfectly happy to export chips to US. The whole problem ultimately stems from the irrational US policy towards China.

[–] Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works -2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yes, it's all the US doing this to poor China... Sure. Okay.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago

It's literally the burger empire coming half way across the world to fuck around in China's internal affairs. I sincerely hope Russia starts funding and supporting a separatist movement in Texas, so that burgerlanders can experience what that feels like first hand.

[–] thebardingreen@lemmy.starlightkel.xyz -4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

I work closely with people in Taiwan and China is DEFINITELY the asshole in the situation. Like a big bad "You need to get punched in the face until you stop assholing" asshole. The nuance is almost all manufactured, like Twinkies and Fox News outrage. Like for real, super seriously. Like how Russia is the asshole in the Ukraine and how Israel is the asshole in well... Israel.

While the US govt. has selfish economic and ideological reasons for supporting Taiwan, it is ONE thing I'm in favor of it doing. I don't like bullies. No one should like bullies.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

US is literally the global bully that's fucking around in China's internal affairs here. Not only that, but US is a deplorable kind of bully that speaks with a forked tongue:

The United States approach to Taiwan has remained consistent across decades and administrations. The United States has a longstanding one China policy, which is guided by the Taiwan Relations Act, the three U.S.-China Joint Communiques, and the Six Assurances. We oppose any unilateral changes to the status quo from either side; we do not support Taiwan independence; and we expect cross-Strait differences to be resolved by peaceful means. We continue to have an abiding interest in peace and stability across the Taiwan Strait.

https://www.state.gov/u-s-relations-with-taiwan/

[–] thebardingreen@lemmy.starlightkel.xyz -3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

I don't disagree.

But that doesn't change anything I said. The US does not have a monopoly on assholery.

EDIT: Who would downvote this other than sockpuppet accounts controlled by OP? Maybe some idiot tankies, I guess. lol.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yet, US is the asshole that's coming half way across the world to meddle in another country's internal affairs. It'd be akin to China funding and arming an independence movement in Texas.

[–] thebardingreen@lemmy.starlightkel.xyz -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

It’d be akin to China funding and arming an independence movement in Texas.

No, it would be akin to China funding and arming the US if England decided to say "Hey, you used to be English! We think you still are. We plan to come over there and replace your government. Also, we're murdering our own citizens if they strongly disagree with this policy."

Are you gonna deny that? It's a SUPER bad look.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Taiwan is literally a province of China as even US acknowledges. The SUPER bad look is to try and justify the interference by burger empire in other countries.

[–] thebardingreen@lemmy.starlightkel.xyz -2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I talk to people there everyday. Taiwan doesn't WANT to be a province of China and anyone who thinks it should be is a dick (and probably a sock puppet for the Chinese Communist Party - it's gonna be pretty hard to keep doing your job here without looking just like one of those). End of discussion.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I talk to people there everyday.

Wait till you find out about the concept of selection bias.

Meanwhile, ideas don't form in a vacuum. US had political capture of Taiwan for many decades drowning it in its propaganda. US interference in Taiwan politics and media is very well documented. US has poured countless millions into shaping the opinions of the people in Taiwan through orgs like NED, it directly grooms US politicians such as Tsai Ing-Wen. This is what's known as cultural hegemony.

US National Endowment for Democracy - REMARKS PREPARED BY NATIONAL ENDOWMENT FOR DEMOCRACY PRESIDENT CARL GERSHMAN AND READ BY ANDREW NATHAN AT TECRO DINNER WITH TAIWAN PRESIDENT TSAI ING-WEN (2019): https://www.ned.org/remarks-prepared-by-national-endowment-for-democracy-president-carl-gershman-and-read-by-andrew-nathan-at-tecro-dinner-with-taiwan-president-tsai-ing-wen/
US National Endowment for Democracy - TAIWAN PRESIDENT TSAI ING-WEN HONORS PRESIDENT OF NED CARL GERSHMAN ON HUMAN RIGHTS DAY (2019): https://www.ned.org/taiwan-president-tsai-ing-wen-honors-ned-human-rights-day/
US National Endowment for Democracy - REMARKS BY CARL GERSHMAN UPON RECEIVING THE PRESIDENTIAL MEDAL IN TAIWAN: https://www.ned.org/taiwans-destiny/

Sunflower Movement Leader Lin Fei-fan’s Associations with the US NED

Taipei Times - Beijing using free market to influence Taiwanese media, US symposium told (2013): https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiwan/archives/2013/03/02/2003556088
The Diplomat - Sunflowers End Occupation of Taiwan’s Legislature (archived, 2014): http://web.archive.org/web/20140411235449/https://thediplomat.com/2014/04/sunflowers-end-occupation-of-taiwans-legislature/
Taiwan News - Former Sunflower Movement activists join DPP, Lin Fei-fan pledges to help DPP win election, prevent pro-Beijing forces from taking power (2019): https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3744833

Democratic Progressive Party (DPP)’s regular Reporting to AIT

Wikileaks - TSAI ING-WEN COMMENTS ON DPP TURMOIL (2005): https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/05TAIPEI4870_a.html
Wikileaks - DPP CHAIRPERSON TSAI ING-WEN ON CHALLENGES FACING PARTY AND U.S. ARMS SALES (2008): https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08TAIPEI892_a.html
Wikileaks - DIRECTOR'S FAREWELL CALL ON DPP CHAIR TSAI ING-WEN (2009): https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/09TAIPEI754_a.html

However, despite all that, the overwhelming majority of people in Taiwan want to maintain the status quo. The desire for Taiwanese independence has experienced a significant drop over the past three years, with only 25.3% of people who want to “move toward independence” or seeking “independence as soon as possible” - down from nearly one-third - 32.4% - in 2020.

https://esc.nccu.edu.tw/eng/PageDoc?fid=7424

So yea, end of discussion. You're a peddler of imperialism and you should be ashamed of yourself.

[–] AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

But that doesn’t change anything I said

You said nothing.

[–] PanArab@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 months ago

You lost me at denying the existence of Palestine