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[–] cybervseas@lemmy.world 67 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"confuses" is different from "misspeaks" though…

[–] BossDj@lemm.ee 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I know my bar has dropped a lot, but he spoke for an hour and fielded questions. He was pretty damn coherent, and knew what the fuck he was talking about defending his foreign policy decisions, etc. it kinda sucks all of that is boiled down to he said the wrong name.

I want him to step aside for another candidate. His "bad debate night" was scary as fuck. But this article is ridiculous.

he spoke confidently on a range of complex issues from the tax code and trade policy to Russia and the Israel-Hamas war.

BUT....

[–] nekandro@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Were you and I watching the same presser? He had moments of brilliance, but his fumbles were apparent throughout the night.

[–] anachronist@midwest.social 6 points 1 month ago

I feel like people who said he had a good conference are either

  • back to covering for him or
  • have been caught in the "boiling frog" of Biden's long decline that they have a warped sense of what people expect from their president.

I watched maybe half of it. It was painful. He was mumbly. He misspoke. He lost his train of thought. His expressions and body language were stiff and unnatural. Occasionally he remembered some talking points and was able to regurgitate them without messing up too badly.

If the guy we saw last night was my waiter at a restaurant I would assume my food was going to arrive late, cold, and not be at all what I ordered.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago

He sounded punch drunk.

[–] bunkyprewster@startrek.website 47 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Don't disagree that he's embarrassingly old, but the gaffes were always part of the deal with Biden, going back to the 1990s.

Yeah but he's managed to make the conversation about his fitness to govern rather than Trumps. That's quite a feat.

[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today 3 points 1 month ago

Confusing your own VP for the opposition party’s candidate is not a gaffe.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yeah this is a bullshit headline. He said the wrong thing. Just way less concerning than what is implied.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Well the headline isn't factually wrong, and no, 99% of any one actually watched the debate.

The headline was possible because of Biden. And honestly, this wasn't even his worst mistake of the press conference.

That god-awful final answer.. It was basically him saying he's too arrogant to step down in time for us to get a candidate into place that can win. He's losing in the polling now and refuses to acknowledge it.

I had him slightly in the W column prior to that final answer. He went back into the L column with that final answer.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Another banger was "I have a higher approval rate in Israel than here"

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 28 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Oh fuck I forgot about that one.

Yes. You are very popular in a country which has become a global pariah and is why you have effectively lost support entirely with any one under the age of 30.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's almost like he's torpedoing his campaign on purpose. Optics wouldn't be as important if the US had mandatory voting, meaning even alienated voters would either vote Biden or Third Party more often than the Trump crowd, but he's killing voter interest in general.

2024 will be 2016 - 2.

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[–] timewarp@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The final answer had me screaming... "What?!? No one is telling you that it isn't likely you'll beat Trump?" He's like... Well, if the polls show me in the negative... Someone needs to show him the polls.

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Which is like, emblematic of THE ENTIRE FUCKING PROBLEM WITH BOTH BIDEN AND ALL DEMOCRATS!!!

A complete and utter detachment from reality. Like, JOE. You are fucking losing this election for everyone. And the fact that he doesn't know or acknowledge it..

[–] anachronist@midwest.social 4 points 1 month ago

On the flip side I got ten emails from Democrats yesterday telling me that our entire country stands on a precipice and the whole thing pretty much rides on me making a donation.

So you know, they're showing some urgency on that side of it.

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[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

No the headline is correct.

Biden walked off the stage and apparently people were screaming Zelensky instead of Putin so then Biden walked back and corrected it.

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[–] nekandro@lemmy.ml 24 points 1 month ago (9 children)

Run Harris. Run Newsom. Run Obama. Run Kennedy. Hell, run Gore.

There's so many options here. This is the DNC's election to lose.

[–] ulkesh@beehaw.org 5 points 1 month ago

This is the DNC's election to lose.

As it was in 2016. And lost it they did. The DNC never learns their lesson, it seems.

[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Hear me out. I don't love him, but mayor Pete.

[–] anachronist@midwest.social 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I was just wondering what it'd be like to have a McKinsey president.

I guess his version of the Project 2025 would be to outsource the entire federal bureaucracy to India?

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[–] Spacehooks@reddthat.com 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I assume that's who they mean, since Barack has already had two terms and his kids aren't old enough.

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[–] crusa187@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

To call Zelenskyy “President Putin” at that critical moment was offensive and totally unacceptable.

Calling Kamala “Vice President Trump” is kind of hilarious though.

Both of these together paint a troubling picture. Why is Biden confusing people who are supposed to be his closest allies with those who are considered to be his bitter rivals? This was supposed to be his big press conference where he proves he’s still mentally fit to be president, and he totally blew it. Somebody get him outta there, Biden isn’t fit to be president and the sooner we can admit that and move on the better it will be for this country. The gaslighting in full denial of this is incredibly dangerous, and likely driven by whoever it is that’s actually in charge and wants to stay that way (all signs point to Jill Biden, who last I checked was not elected president.)

Apparently Biden has not had a full cabinet meeting since last year. These are the people who can invoke 25th amendment on him, and it’s looking extremely suspicious all of a sudden that he’s been avoiding them, and for such an insanely long period of time too!

For those of us who have had to support an elder family member through times of mental decline, the condition is extremely apparent now, and the administration can no longer hide it. Elders often resist or get angry when confronted about necessary changes, but it’s for their own good. In this case, it’s also so we can ward off a fascist takeover of the US. Come on dem leadership, it’s time to actually be the adults in the room and handle this.

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[–] UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Yes, it was embarrassing. As soon as he said it I literally winced in pain. It was bad.

But. And of course there's a but. He even addressed later in the conference that him misspeaking should not over shadow the results he's getting. And he's getting results.

Man has stated he's had speech problems loong before he ran for president. Like, still a kid in school stuttering times. He sucks with names. That's an unfortunate fact. But why does that trump (pun intended) everything else?

[–] stewie3128@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Here's Biden in the 2008 debate against Sarah Palin. https://youtu.be/4Hs7CptPWI4?si=ygyXTtMIiNwfAPYa

There's no "stutter." He's nailing his talking points, stringing them together fluently. The Biden of today is unrecognizable.

At the same time, it's not like Kamala is going to beat Trump. And they won't let Bernie get the nomination.

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[–] NovaPrime@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Because it's clearly more than a fucking speech impediment or random words he misspoke a few times. People have eyes. No amount of spin is going to change the reality that he's an elderly man whose brain is slowly fucking degenerating in real time in front of our eyes.

[–] UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 month ago (10 children)

He was right about jobs going up. He was right about strengthening NATO. He was correct about the Border being more secure. He said he wants to fight greedy corporations and scummy land lords. How is all that over looked?

Use you're eyes to see what he's actually saying. There was 3 or 4 gaffs after a day of talking to other world leaders on major world events. His actions speak louder than words

Is he perfect, no. Absolutely not. Still better than not only the other guy but any other alternative placed in front of us.

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[–] anachronist@midwest.social 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And he’s getting results.

[–] UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Growth shatters expectations: GDP expands 3.1% - a year beginning with heavy odds of a recession

Job creation 40 times rate of last 3 republican presidents - More than double Clinton and Obama

Black unemployment rate lower under Biden than any other administration (4.7%) - Compared to black unemployment under Trump was 2nd worst number in history, reaching over 16%

$1 Billion to replace the Blatnik Bridge connecting WI - MN

$600 million to replace the I-5 Bridge between Vancouver, Washington, and Portland, Oregon, with an earthquake-resistant, multimodal bridge.

$427 million to establish the first offshore wind terminal on the West Coast, off California.

$372 million to replace Cape Cod's nearly 90-year-old Sagamore Bridge.

$300 million for a new container terminal for the Port of New Orleans.

$95 million to widen a 10-mile section of I-10 through the Gila River in Arizona.

$142 million to fix the I-376 corridor in Pittsburgh, including an area infamously known as "the bathtub" due to its regular flooding.

$150 million to reconnect communities divided by the Cross Bronx Expressway in New York built in the mid-1900s.

Modernizes American port infrastructure

$3B investment for high speed internet for rural communities

$623 million to build EV charging network

Awards nearly $163 billion in federal contracts to small businesses

$426 million for Northern California offshore wind farm

Post-pandemics recovery is by far the most successful in the world

US oil production hits all-time high

Rescinds Trump-era "Denial of Care" rule that allowed health care workers to deny medical care to patients because of their personal religious or moral belief

Launches $11 billion on semiconductor-related research and development including $5 billion National Semiconductor Technology Center

US Trade Deficit With China Narrows to Lowest Since 2010

$250 million to modernize airports in 37 states

$4.4 million to upgrade Maine's power grid

Violent crime drop significantly since 2020

$5.8 billion to clean up nation’s drinking water and upgrade infrastructure

Round 15 of student loan forgiveness: $1.2 billion of federal student loans

Orders cybersecurity regulations for port operators similar to standardized safety regulations preventing injury and damage to people and infrastructure

$500 million to combat wildfire and improve resilience

$1 billion deal with Oregon, Washington, and 4 Columbia River tribes to revive Northwest salmon population

$1.7 billion package to fund initiatives aimed at ending hunger across the United States by 2030

$1 billion toward cleaning up 110 contaminated sites

$28 billion towards substance abuse treatment

$366 million to accelerate clean energy deployment in rural and remote areas

Implemented new rule that cuts credit card late fees $32 to $8

Allows student loan borrowers to repay based on income providing affordable payments and eventual student loan forgiveness

Directs DOJ to issue regulations giving clear protections of sensitive data from access by countries of concern

Bans asbestos

Funds program to fund coast-to-coast bicycle path without hitting a road

Commits $6B to cut emissions from high-carbon industries

Lends $1.5B to restart Michigan nuclear power plant

Allocates $750 million for hydrogen research and development

Restores threatened species protections dropped by Trump

Blocks mining on more than 221,000 acres of federal land in Colorado

First National standard ever for reducing harmful chemicals in drinking water

"Last resort" program keeps tens of thousands of American veterans who were in danger of losing their homes

America's economy growing at double the rate of all other G7 countries

Adds Title IX protections for LGBT students, forbidding discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity

Shields millions of acres of Alaskan wilderness from drilling and mining

$7 billion in federal grants for residential solar projects serving 900,000-plus households

Extends rule requiring overtime pay to workers making under $58,000 annually

Requires airlines to give cash refunds for canceled and significantly delayed flights

Establishes standards to eliminate emissions from new federal buildings by 2030

Lays out conditions for national goal to cut emissions from freight shipping down to zero

Bans most noncompete employment agreements preventing workers from joining competing businesses or launching ones of their own

Reinstates net neutrality

Prohibits federally funded health providers & insurers from discriminating on basis of sexual orientation and gender identity

Canadian Solar, one of the largest solar manufacturing companies in the world coming back to the US, thanks to the Inflation Reduction Act

Round 16 of student debt forgiveness: Clears $6 billion in debt for closed art school’s students

In 2021 only three states supplied 12 months of post partum care - Three years later 46 states now do

Online platforms and social media companies required to report child sex trafficking and online enticement to NCMEC’s tip line

Bans Russian uranium imports

$16 billion investments in Historically Black Colleges and Universities

Round 17 of student debt forgiveness: $7.7 billion for over 160,000 borrowers

Free online tax filing program piloted this year made permanent and scope will be expanded

Executive action ordering the closure of border cutting asylum claims in half (according to FOX News)

Prohibits medical debt from being reported on credit reports

Pardons US Service Members convicted because they were gay

Enacts plan to end Parkinson’s disease

Codifies same-sex and interracial marriage

Bolsters nation’s nuclear power by speeding timeline for licensing new nuclear reactors and cut fees that companies have to pay to do so

That's just the past year. Want me to find more for you? Or maybe you can do more research past "he's old!!!1!"

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[–] nekandro@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 month ago (4 children)

His speech impediment is bullshit. Where was it when he was Obama's VP? Where was it in the Senate?

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[–] Doubledee@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's great that this will be how he is remembered. He deserves worse but it's something.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Thinkin about the Le Guin line about how every ruling class, every ruling ideology, has been destined to completely and utterly humiliate itself before it dies

[–] DreamAccountant@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Did he say that he's going to immediately turn the U.S. into a Theocratic Dictatorship? No?

Then I do not give a single fuck, and people that do are probably bots. Fuck off Billionaire newspaper.

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[–] Bell@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

There are some situations that you just can't "spin" your way out of

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If I was trying to throw the election, I really can't think of what I'd be doing differently right now.

[–] Tak@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 month ago

There's probably more one can do but Biden is clearly struggling to think clearly. It's kinda standard now but ancient Dems clinging to power instead of retiring.

[–] Auzy@beehaw.org 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

And I forgot my girlfriends name for a minute the other day at dinner. But I got top 5 people in state for one of my final year school subjects

Are you hiring a sales person or a president.

Some of the world's dumbest liers are excellent at talking. Often the people you should be listening to though aren't as good

The fact that Trump thinks his golf score is important to America should tell you everything you need to know

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago

who cares; certainly not me. trump is a convicted felon who wants to usher in fascism and destroy the economy.

[–] naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Putin can wax lyrical about Russian history going back millenia without notes. Biden can...

[–] mctoasterson@reddthat.com 3 points 1 month ago

"...well...anyway..."

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