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[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 28 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

I don't understand how shit like this does not already warrant to enact article 5. Russia sends literal sabotage units to us to physically destroy shit, as well as assassination squads to murder people. Those are and should be seen as direct attacks to our countries.

[–] federalreverse@feddit.org 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

What would be the benefit of open war against Russia, especially if NATO were to start it? I see absolutely nothing.

There's a lot of room for additional sanctions against Russia too. The EU is still importing fossil gas and nuclear fuel, for example. Countries like Cyprus and the UK can probably still freeze additional Russian funds. [...]

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

How would NATO start it after Russia repeatedly attacked us?!

[–] federalreverse@feddit.org 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Russia emits misinformation, Russia attacks through Interwebs, Russia employs espionage, Russia sabotages. But Russia has not performed a full-scale military attack on any NATO country. And unless they do, in the eye of any onlooker, NATO would be the one to start the altercation.

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io -1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

When would you say the Russian invasion of Ukraine started?

[–] federalreverse@feddit.org 5 points 1 week ago

Ukraine is not a NATO country, for better or worse. (It's anyone's guess whether Russia would have attacked Ukraine if they were a NATO member.)

[–] jumjummy@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

The best sanctions we could impose is a complete shutdown of all of Russia’s Internet access. You’d see massive reduction in disinformation across the web.

[–] cheddar@programming.dev 13 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Because nobody wants to start WWIII. And you shouldn't want that too.

[–] TheDorkfromYork@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago

Sink one Russian warship per attack. Russia doesnt seem to mind losing ships.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

because politics, that would anger china and we've made the absolutely galaxybrained decision to make ourselves basically entirely reliant upon that one country to survive :)))

[–] SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

More like because Russia still has nukes.

[–] AlexisFR@jlai.lu 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I like not having to survive a nuclear apocalypse, thank you.

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io -4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Better than the slow cooking & societal collapse through climate change.

[–] CAVOK@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

WhAt ArE yOu TaLkiNg AbOuT FaLlOuT76 was great!

[–] simple@lemm.ee 19 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Anyone have a paywall-free link?

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] CaptObvious@literature.cafe 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

France arrests Ukraine-Russia national with explosives on terror charges - https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/france-arrested-russian-speaker-possession-explosives-near-paris-airport-bfm-tv-2024-06-05/

Not the Le Monde article, but also not paywalled.

[–] jonne@infosec.pub 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Jesus, the only reason they caught him was because he blew himself up making bombs? How many others are out there?

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

I guess the trope of bomb makers missing fingers in movies is based on reality.

[–] jimmy90@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

i guess the evidence of massive coordination by Moscow was at the end of the article?

this would be a most flagrant act of war against France if so, no?

[–] AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Why do I keep reading "lemonde" as "lemonade"

[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

They have refreshing articles maybe?