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[–] vidumec@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

i feel like blocking of instances leads to worse echo chambers than subreddits themselves. We gonna have bubbles of federation networks that don't federate with each other. E.g. lefties, righties, "dark web" illegal shit, kinky shit, and instances that federate with all of them will be blocked by other instances because "use my blacklist or get defederated". This is gonna lead to hell for users having to create fifty accounts for each bubble. Aint nobody got time for that.

i wish it remained a user's option to block/unblock content they don't/do want to see. Each instance could provide their "recommended" default list of enabled instances, and user can go and enable others, like how NSFW toggle works. Maybe group instances into categories with tags or something, like "porn", "memes", "tankies", "nazis", "warez", etc

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Holy fucking shit they're blocking piracy? What a bunch of losers. Get off the anti-corporate platform built on copyleft principles if you have a problem with piracy.

The losers are commenting on this site as well.

https://hexbear.net/post/317675

Transphobia? That's cool with them. Treating food workers like shit? Also fine. But watch a copy of a movie? "Horrible theft". There are people dying over preventable causes due to patents that aren't even held by the creators. I hate liberals

[–] OtakuAltair@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Eh? It's understandable. They shouldn't be forced to deal with any legal issues that come with it.

You can just use another instance that fits your needs, isn't that the whole point of this decentralized model?

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

There are no legal issues. You can fucking talk about piracy completely legally. This is a moral position being taken under the excuse of legality by liberals who run their server with a strict political leaning, as demonstrated by their mass banning of socialists and defederation from every left wing space.

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[–] silvercove@lemdro.id 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Also lemmy.world is not the most stable instance and experiences a lot of downtime. My user experience got a lot better after I moved out of lemmy.world.

[–] gk99@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

I've explicitly been using my beehaw.org account pretty much exclusively because of the constant DDOS attacks on lemmy.world.

Kinda funny how their plan to seemingly kill Lemmy is just helping it stay decentralized by pushing people to other instances.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It experiences a lot of downtime because the alt right kids who got defederated keep using 4chans ddos tool to bring it down...

It's not going down from normal user load.

[–] TragicNotCute@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

If only people knew how hard the staff was working to improve things and keep it up.

[–] GreenMario@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Sucks but if Lemmy.World is gonna be the "face" of Lemmy it's probably best to keep the shadier sides of the fediverse out. Just to keep the damn lawyer trolls off our back.

Plus it keeps the "uninitiated normies" out of the Piracy instance. At least until they know.

[–] shadowspirit@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Yeah, I'm fine with the admins using some due diligence. There is some wild s*** out there that no one needs to see terrible and grotesque without warning. The most recent example that I came across was AI generated porn of "jailbait."

Speaking only for myself but if content like that shows up in my feed I will not continue using Lemmy. So I am appreciative of the admins being proactive and if there's something I want to find I'll search for it but the example that I quoted showing up in my feed is absolutely unacceptable to me.

I'm not saying that piracy rises to the level of the quoted example but I don't manage the server and I'm not willing to manage a server so if there are people out there willing to do it to spare me from nefarious things then power to them. They have to do what's right and legal.

[–] glimse@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

FWIW this is one of the most frequent communities I see while browsing. I don't mind it but it's definitely a bad look if they want lemmy.world to appeal to the everyman.

I've noticed a lot more "normie" content in the past few weeks so it definitely seems like the site is attracting more than just techy people now.

[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

Which was always going to happen if Lemmy is to grow. This is fine, decentralisation is what this is made for, so if you want a vanilla experience with only clean sfw content, you can register to instances A B or C, if you fancy some more open internet, then instances X Y or Z might be more for you.

[–] Freeanotherday@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Don't you all love democracy?

Let's vote on who is the face of the fediverse.

xi-vote

hexbear-retro

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[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Facilitating Piracy no matter how you put it is wrong and illegal, it is wrong and illegal to support people who do it.

Remember Netizen, when you're pirating Disney, you're downloading communism! programming-communism

[–] bjornp_@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Facilitating Piracy no matter how you put it is wrong and illegal, it is wrong and illegal to support people who do it.

I love how some people assume that everyone agrees on the ethics of piracy

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

"You wouldn't download a communism"

A would download & 3D print both communism & Disney, then watch them fight

[–] stebo02@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] iridaniotter@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Old poster but I'm not sure the exact year

[–] h3ndrik@feddit.de 1 points 1 year ago

Where is the piracy? (Asking for a friend.)

[–] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Sounds pretty reasonable to me if the loser dweebs at lemmy.world want to ban the piracy comms. lol, even reddit-logo allows piracy subs.

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[–] Pandantic@midwest.social 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Lemmy.world is turning vanilla. They closed the shrooms community too!

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[–] interdimensionalmeme@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oh do please tell me about this "piracy" you speak of. Pirates are my people, I sailed the seas with them back in 1998 and my 28 kilobaud modem. Unfortunately I have lost sight of them in the private tracker wars.

[–] Rodeo@lemmy.ca 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've never bothered with private trackers, what benefits do they actually provide?

[–] corm@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

None, just use a VPN and thepiratebay/nyaa/whatever else and stop being a baby

[–] Getallen@feddit.nl 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Dont use thepiratebay, jesus christ its so unsafe (for apps atleast)

[–] corm@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I would never execute a pirated app in a non sandboxed environment, that's just silly.

Just buy games on steam like the rest of the world.

I'm talking movies and anime personally

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[–] makeasnek@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not sure why nobody in the comments is distinguishing between blocking a community on an instance (removing /c/piracy) and defederating instances (saying your users can't subscribe to otherinstance.com/c/piracy). They are very different things. We should be very skeptical of defederation.

Removing a community because it violates the rules of your instance is A-OK and every instance should do this. Anybody can run an instance, and anybody can set their own rules, that's the whole idea of federation.

De-federating other instances because you find their content objectionable is less ok. Lemmy is like e-mail. Everybody registers at gmail or office365 or myfavoriteemail.com. Every email host runs their own servers, but they all talk to each other through an open protocol. You would be pissed to find out that gmail just suddenly decided to stop accepting mail from someothermailprovider.com because a bunch of their users are pirates or tankies. Or blocked your favourite email newsletter from reaching your inbox because it had inflammatory political content.

Allowing your users to receive e-mail, or content from subcommunities on other lemmy instances is not a legal risk like hosting the content yourself is (IANAL etc). Same way Gmail is not liable if somebody on some other e-mail server does something illegal by emailing a gmail user. That's why you can register at torrentwebsite.com and get a user confirmation email successfully delivered to your inbox. Gmail is federated with all other e-mail services without needing to endorse them or accept legal liability for them.

Lemmy's strength, value, and future comes from being the largest federated space for link-sharing and other forms of communication.

De-federation is bad.

[–] Spedwell@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

If an instance is merely blocked, does that mean all content produced by that instance, or by a Lemmy.World user using that instance, is strictly not stored on Lemmy.World servers?

Otherwise there might still be liability. Also, in the US you don't even have to do anything illegal to be the target of a lawsuit—distancing from piracy is a practical defense against the cost of legal proceedings, even if it's technically legal.

[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

defederation is good for nazi and CSAM instances. no one should touch either with a 10ft pole. there's absolutely no reason to give them a larger platform.

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