I noticed a few of them posting Russian propaganda the other day. Nothing of value was lost.
this post was submitted on 15 Aug 2023
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They absolutely do. They are freaks of nature.
Essentially communists who support the war crimes committed in Ukriane and the idea of Russian imperialism since it somehow in their twisted little minds equates to a Soviet Union born again.
Wrap your head around that.
I still just don't understand why they defend Russia or China, I don't think there's a single state mechanism you can point to that's truly functionally communistic.
They get it into their heads that they're smarter than everyone else because they have views that aren't popular, and shut out any evidence that their views might just be wrong and actively harmful.
Good work! Thank you. Hexbear users are trolls. Theyβre not in it for discussion in good faith. Iβve blocked a few offenders here and there but honestly I think the culture there is so toxic that weβre better off not being federated with them.
100% agree that they are trolls. They flood any China news posts (that's not on lemmy.world) with a truckload of pro-China comments, taking advantage of the fact that a sizeable portion of Lemmy users won't be able to see and downvote them. Whenever someone replies to them with well-thought-out arguments supporting "the western authoritarians," half of them replies with huge and ugly emojis, while the other half parrots more Chinese propaganda (that actually sound well-written if you disregard the fact that China is an oppressive regime).
I browsed a bit there. All I saw was trolls planning to troll. They won't be missed.
Federation is working.
Until they decide to 'raid' instances and start their circus again.
I hope the admins on those raided instances are more effective than the admins on hexbear were.
Oh, they already are raiding and brigading. Take a look at any post remotely mentioning China, Russia or Ukraine on lemmy.ml or any other instance still federated with them. 90% of the comments will be Hexbear users trolling, harassing people or spreading disinformation, shutting out any real discussion.
I'm all for differing viewpoints but they were just trolls.
What's wrong with hating landlords?
No calls for violence seems like a simple rule. And not every landlord is greedy mcshitstain with 50 properties, many of them are a single family with their starter home rented out, or a couple renting out their extra room.
Communists don't care for that distinction, they believe all landlords (even non-exploitative ones like you mentioned) are inherrently exploitative and therefore deserving of death. Yes, this applies to you even if you just rent out a room, but don't worry, money won't exist and everything will be free!
Correction, terminally-online twitter communists don't care for the distinction. People who actually go outside and put in the work aren't making enemies out of individuals renting out a room, they're too busy going after giant multi-national corporations buying out all the houses so that nobody else can get them, and then jacking up the rents once there's no alternatives.
Communism is about systems, not individuals. Anyone saying otherwise is either disinformed or is a radical liberal playing make-believe
Calling for execution of anyone seems a bit extreme to me.
Gotta start somewhere.
Probably not by whipping out the guillotine. There's a few reasonable steps before that.
This is why our rights are constantly being eroded.
I have been visiting hexbear recently. I have discovered that there is a great deal of content there that is important to me and that I have been "protected" from. It's clearly a legitimate instance with a dedicated administration team. The Lemmiverse is moving fast and changing dramatically. Would @Shadow@lemmy.ca, @smorks@lemmy.ca, et al consider reviewing this decision now that it is about a year later?
Always open to reconsidering things. Can you give some examples of the content you're missing?
Tbh when I go look at their local feed it just seems like all shitposts
For example, c/food is the best general population food forum I've ever seen for my particular needs. A lot of the non-vegan parts of the site is not just tolerant but considerate to vegans. That's frigging unheard of. I don't know what the big deal with shit posters is, but that is hardly the only or defining feature of the culture.
I feel like if you wade into a community you're not a member of and don't understand looking for shit posts, a lot of things are going to look like shit posts.
Thanks for the input! Discussing it with the other admins.
There's always the far better-behaved Lemmygrad for those who want a more diverse prospective without the toxicity that hexbear brings.
Probably get banned for this comment but all of the rights we have were taken via violence. Nothing else is going to stop feudalism in this country except violence. That guy threatening landlords is, like it or not, correct
Not that I want to go killing people, but that's quite literally the only way change is made throughout all of human history
What childish nonsense. You have no absolute rights as a member of a society. Every right is limited and every law limits a right. Virtually none of those were passed through violence.
Do you not know how Canada became a country??
If you think laws will be peacefully passed that grants housing to all Canadians you are delusional
156 years ago?
Dude, it's time to move on.
It's time for a revolution actually
It's time for change. We are a long, long way from revolution.
Well I am not a long way from living on the street lol
One person is not a revolution.
There are hundreds of homeless people in my small city of Victoria alone
Ever been to Vancouver?
Yes. I'll be there in the middle of September.
A few hundred homeless people do not a revolution make (or a few thousand, or a few tens of thousands.) You can fantasize about it by the reality is that you end up dead or in prison if you try.
We need change, that is an absolute truth, but we are a long, long way from revolution.
Ok well just wait till you see how aggressive and violent homeless people have become haha. It's not friendly begging anymore and I don't blame them
Agree that it's fantasy though. Canada is spineless
I'll be fine.
How many Canadians had to take up arms and murder their countrymen to get gay marriage and cannabis reform? The other side certainly used a lot of violence, AND THEY LOST. I only have to come up with one counterexample and there's two.
That's it. That's all there is to it. It is true that some rights took violence to establish, but clearly there are plenty that didn't. If for example it takes violence to fix our housing problems, then I guess that's what would have been needed, but there are plenty of options before we get there.
Yes violence can be both successful and unsuccessful but to begin with the state likely used violence against violent supporters of bad drug policy and bigoted marriage laws, or alternatively against covid deniers and what not. On the other hand people did riot for weed and gayness 50 or so years ago and continually violently defended themselves in their continued (political) existence for these years. Political change, even if the laws change relatively non violently at the end, needs violence or at least the threat of violence to come about.
You're moving the goalpost. We're talking about executions. Fucking terrorism. That is NOT the way social causes are advanced.
This seems like it could have been solved at the instance level by banning some emojis... So I guess I'm confused?
I still don't agree with censoring political views that we disagree with. It's a slippery slope, especially when these are REAL people that DO exist. They deserve to have their voice heard, even if it's so they can be shit on.
Edit: is there no way to block individual users without defederation? It sounds like taking the nuclear option against a few bad actors. We should want to have our worldview challenged since that's a core component of democracy.
views that we disagree with
a few bad actors
Please stop with all those disingenous takes. OP makes it quite clear that it was not based on differences in viewpoint but toxic and trolling behaviour. And it is not "a few bad actors" from that instance behaving in such a way, it is everyone, since that is their publicly stated main purpose for existing.
Their community policy is explicitly against the actions described in this post.
Blatant indifference to their own community policies is an excellent reason to defederate.
And everyone on lemmy.ca follows community guidelines? Let's be realistic. It's a few bad actors (that we've already isolated!), just ban them.
Please read and respect the rules of the community instance in which you are posting/commenting. Please try to keep the dirtbag lib-dunking to hexbear itself. Do not follow the Chapo Rules of Posting, instead try to engage utilizing informed rhetoric with sources to dismantle western propaganda. Posting the western atrocity propaganda and pig poop balls is hilarious but will pretty quickly get you banned and if enough of us do it defederated. Realize that you are a representative of the hexbear instance when you post on other instances.
"Come on guys. [Wink] [Wink] Cool it or we're going to get defederated. [Wink] [Wink]"
hexbear when the consequences of their actions 