Poor people should just simply try working for their father's company for a year and then taking a VP position at a small fortune 500. I don't understand why they won't try that, and pull themselves up by their bootstraps. Tsk tsk tsk.
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There's so many other issues too, such as the fact that old job posts don't really get removed, employers/recruiters also spam multiple websites with their job posts and forget to check them, and some of the job descriptions don't even match what you go and sign up for.
No salaries mentioned on lots of posts, multi stage interviews that somehow demand your free time during work hours, so good luck interviewing for other roles while you have a job. Take home assignments that take multiple hours sometimes, sacrificing a whole evening.
Recruiters that will ask for all your information again, despite having found your phone number from your CV, and once you go through that, tell you they have nothing for you and that they'll be in touch.
Questions that mean nothing in an interview, including acronyms I haven't used or even heard of outside of interviewing for other jobs, because my job doesn't need or use them, we just do the work.
Job is listed as remote
During interview they tell you they expect you to move to bumfuck north dakota within 6 months of starting
This has literally been my experience! I've submitted near 100 applications and NOTHING! I'm 20, living at home with my parents breathing down my neck and saying how lazy I am for not getting a job while NO ONE will fucken hire me! I've even done walk in interviews and STILL NOTHING! I don't know what to do anymore and feel like I'm stuck in hell. Cant leave this house cuz I'm broke, can't get a car cuz I'm broke, can't pay my crazy medical bills cuz I'm broke. College for me is over after this semester if I can't get at least minimum wage employment and what do ppl say to me when I complian? WHY DONT YOU JUST GET A JOB!!? I'm so tired, I'm so done, just end me now.
Protip: Fuck your medical bills. At least for now. Low, low, low priority. What qualifications do you have? What experience? What are your skills? If you don't have answers to those questions, whats your game plan to answer them? For obvious reasons I'm biased, but IT is an amazing field to try and enter right now if you're able to bear down and learn material for Comptia certifications.
The meta for getting jobs rn is through networking. IIRC something like 70% of job positions are not posted. I have worked in the tech industry and food industry and found this to be true in both. For tech, building a strong network is more important than any degree/cert you could get imo. I wouldn't even bother applying thru websites without a recommendation attached. I think ur time is better spent working on some sort of personal project and attending every conference/event in the area u can find for whatever ur tech domain is. Ideally if ur living in a tech "hub" or adjacent to one there usually is some sort of "area programming language/tech thing club" and joining is free. You can find them on facebook or meetup. Befriend some boomer nerds at them and eventually you'll get access to their "network" and will have a lot easier time landing a job. U can be upfront too by saying shit like "I am looking to expand my network" and this is an OK way to signal "Let me know about job openings that ur friends have" / "please introduce me to important people".
Been a software developer for 15 years. I've applied for hundreds of positions this summer and all of them either never call me back or say they are interested in other candidates. I actually fucked up two coding tests this week and I dunno anymore. I'm just so disappointed and money is starting to get tight, and I have a surprise medical bill for a biologic. I'm thinking when I can't afford rent, I'll just kill myself.
What's worse is I did have a job for two months but I fucked it up and botched a production instance. They let me go a couple weeks later, I wasn't a good fit. I wanted to die then, and the sensation hasn't gone away either. I lie about it because saying you are suicidal is a great way to be rubber roomed.
Some days posting on 196 isn't even worth it.
Hey friend, I'm sorry that you've fucked up a bunch lately. I know the feeling. Just know that you are really valuable to your family and friends, and they'd be extremely hurt if you did do something like that.
Everyone is feeling so stretched right now, and you are not alone. But we will get through this, and things will get easier down the road.
I know it sounds stupid, but money is just.. money. Yes we need it to survive in this day, but your life is worth so much more than a bit of cash or debt.. and it sounds like you're a smart person. So just know that those mistakes are a part of your journey, and a part of moulding you into the person you will be in a few years.
Well, problem 1 is using indeed. What an obsolete site for most places. But i get the joke.
Not that prospects are much better elsewhere. Like LinkedIn for instance with their “click here for instant apply” and then you see that you’re one of 50 people (today) to apply for this open role and some AI in the background estimated based on your profile that you have 22% chance of getting the job BUT if you pay for premium you can knock that 22% up to 50% and an AI writes you a better profile…
I really do feel sorry for the crap the boomer gen and even my generation (genx) has left every generation after.
#eattherich
What should I be using then?
If you listen to the crowd on here, a guillotine on the ruling classes.
I agree
Well obviously, I meant beyond that
LinkedIn and Indeed combo still work fine, but personal network is age old and never not the best choice.
"personal networking" feels a lot like just saying "go fish in a bathtub"
It means "be rich".
People who have to work 40 hours a week, plus do their own cooking and cleaning, plus all their own errands, plus taking care of the kids or pets, don't have time to network.
There's a reason politics is filled with rich lawyers and finance people, and it because they have the luxury of networking.
anyone who says 'networking' is a charlatan imo. at least try to word it like a human being while giving advice
I agree, I put in the shoes of HR and Management, I CAN FEEL YOUR DESPERATION, you are acting like an attention whore and this smells in KILOMETERS.
Depends on how big your bathtub is. But really. Knowing people in your field is always helpful.
It's basically useless when you've tried your network and it's all dead ends. This advice feels like the "don't be ugly" of the employment world.
Where is the lemmy for jobs? There is no need to create an account for every company if they all use activitypub.
More than half of my recent applications all used the same workday application service, but you need a unique workday account for every fucking company. Why in the world is it not just a single account‽
I finally got to experience this from the inside. I was on the team that interviewed people to back fill my position after I was promoted. We didn't interview 1 external candidate. Promoted someone from below and then hired a new entry level person. We realized our internal hire has less experience, but they were the safe fast option that could get started right away.
"the silence is deafening" sums up my job searching experience. I can apply to as many jobs as you'd like but I can't actually start working until the other side says yes. and they seem to not even register that my application has been sent. How am I supposed to work, if no employer ever even looks at my application?
yOu'Re SuPpOsEd To CaLl ThEm YoUrSeLf!
I fucking hate that. If they need the position filled, should they not be checking each and every applicant? Why do I ALSO need to call the place after I sent in my application/resume?
You apply for 20 jobs on Indeed. "Do you want to fill out the application manually, or upload your resume?" You select the latter and upload your resume. Indeed loads the next page: "Please fill out your work history manually." You scream 20 times
Pro tip: for the workday applications with the manual forms, I have a separate file I upload without formatting that perfectly fills out the forms in the fields they want, then I upload a formatted resume.
That's genius!
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"You apply for 20 jobs on Indeed. The silence is deafening.
"You apply for 20 jobs on Indeed. Half of them require you to create an account on the company website. You have a trail of ghost accounts that will be used once and never again. You never receive a response.
"You apply for 20 jobs on Indeed. One employer offers an interview, but it's so rare for you to receive any response that you forget to check the website and you miss the time.
"You apply for 20 jobs on Indeed. One employer offers an interview, but you don't know the magic words that signal to the esoteric mind of an interviewer that you're fit for the job.
"You apply for 20 jobs on Indeed. One employer e-mails you saying that 'unfortunately, you do not have the qualifications we are looking for'. You check the job again and see you applied to be a menial labourer.
"You apply for 20 jobs on Indeed. Half of them require a car a car. No one stops to ask how you're supposed to afford one with no job.
"You apply for 20 jobs on Indeed. One employer offers a job. The commute makes you want to die in your sleep.
"You call the HR manager for the workplace in hopes of arranging an interview more directly. They don't even have an answering machine.
"Employers complain that no one wants to work anymore."
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My hubby went in for an interview and was told he got the job so he told his other prospective employers that he was no longer interested. Before he could arrange a start date, they ghosted him. He tried to call but it went to an outsourced helpdesk that told him they would create a ticket and he would get a call back. No call after several days. He physically went into the place and the hiring manager seemed flustered that he was there and told him they would contact him. After two weeks from when he was told he would get the job, he finally got a hold of the guy he interviewed with and was told they gave the position to someone else because he was "unreachable".
Problems like this are the reason why I don't hold loyalty to any company unless they've proven their competency. The ones that are good rarely hire because the employees don't want to leave.
That's terrible, I hope it all worked out, but absolutely never say anything until you've both signed a contract unless you're looking for a counter offer, which is risky AF.
People pull out of informal agreements all the time, it's not an employer thing - legal issues, real estate, appointments, competition prizes, dates...
At least you have 20 indeed offers, in my country if you get 2 or 3 per week related to what you do is the max you can get.
Very similar to finding a new home.
Bonus challenge: Find a new home without a job.
I am on lifelong disability which means I get a guaranteed amount of money each month for life.
No landlords will touch me, a person with a GUARANTEED INCOME.
However, if you have a job, that you can get fired from or quit the next day, they'll accept you. Blows my fucking mind.
Btw, for anyone wondering, if I lose my job, the government will step in and give me money for my disability. If I have a job, they don't give me money. If I have a shit job where I make a couple hundred per month, they'll cover the difference. I don't mooch off the government, but my point is that I'm lucky enough to have a safety net, and landlords are so dumb they run away from it.
I'm a graphic designer and I applied to over 100 jobs before a recruiter got back to me and said she loved my portfolio and sent it up the chain.
And how long ago was that? And have you heard back since?
“No one wants to work anymore” does not mean what it’s individual words imply. It’s like “fucking hell”. It has a different meaning.
It means “we don’t want to pay, we think labor is too expensive”
Put in about 40 apps on indeed. Got one interview, didn't get job. Couple weeks later got an email from one employer that I wasn't what the were looking for. I responded, thanking them for at least responding. Got the interview. I hit 5 years in the job next week.
It's a ridiculous situation, where you are left feeling like shit. and when you get the job you realize it is not you but the company is the shit
I feel like I was born at the worst point in time.
i hate how we're supposed to act like we're the Most Perfect fit for the role, and So Eager! -- the most ideal human to ever walk the earth, specifically for this role.
and you get the job and go there and the coworkers aren't fucking god and apollo, it's joey and mark
You had me until missing an interview is not your fault. When I got an interview I wrote that date and time on everything. I couldnt go five feet without a reminder. If you miss an interview (barring medical or personal emergency) that's on you, but I guess that's an unpopular opinion.
You can't set reminders if you never knew the interview existed. It's still their fault, but it's an easy mistake to make.
Don't use Indeed, dumbass. Talk to a headhunter. They get paid by employers to find you a job. Every single professional job I've ever had has come through a headhunter, and the jobs have been great.