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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by Hypersapien@lemmy.world to c/nostupidquestions@lemmy.world

What are cis and trans alternate types of? I don't think it's "gender identity" because wouldn't that just be man, woman or nonbinary regardless of whether they're cis or trans? Cis/trans just being a qualifier?

If the answer is "I am cis" or "I am trans", what is the question?

Edit: Someone came up with the term "gender congruity" and (after looking up the definition of "congruity") I think this describes what I'm talking about perfectly.

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[-] MrShelbySan@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Please note I’m typing this as a trans man. Being “cis” or “trans” stems from someone’s gender.

Basically, do you identify as your birth gender (not sex, gender and sex are different)? If the answer is yes, you are “cis”. If the answer is no, like I my case, I was born female, I identify as a male, then you are are trans.

I hope this answers your question.

[-] GaryPonderosa@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Shouldn't it be that you identify with your birth sex? If gender is a social construct you don't have a gender at birth. When the doctor says "It's a boy" they're referring to the genitalia you have, not assigning you a social position.

[-] RustledTeapot@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

You might not believe in the social construct at birth, but the social construct believes in you. Children are treated differently based on assigned gender from birth.

[-] GaryPonderosa@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Now that I think about it, you're right. If you're a male, you get swaddled and handed to your mother, but if you're female, you get swaddled and handed to your mother.

[-] RustledTeapot@kbin.social 1 points 1 year ago

And either way, your mother starts treating you differently based on apparent sex.

https://psycnet.apa.org/buy/2005-02259-007

[-] GaryPonderosa@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

When does your mother start treating you differently based on sex?

[-] Awerenj@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Depending on the country, really really early. e.g. - in India its illegal to disclose the sex of the fetus to the parents/family because of high female infanticide.

In-laws, the father, and many times even the mother will want a son to carry on the family name instead of a daughter who will be married off to some other family (with the cost of marriage and dowry). And it was quiet common for the fetus to be aborted if it was female. The situation has improved a bit today, but gerl children are still treated very poorly is many parts of the country.

Of course, girls here are treated a million times better than trans folk here. 90% of them (hijra community) are beggars on the streets/trains.

[-] GaryPonderosa@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

So not at birth then?

[-] RustledTeapot@kbin.social 0 points 1 year ago

Typically before you even leave the womb, these days.

[-] GaryPonderosa@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

So not at birth?

[-] StarManta@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I’m sorry what? That is not a thing

[-] GaryPonderosa@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

You're right. No one has ever swaddled a baby, certainly not often enough that we have a specific word for it. It stands to reason no one has ever handed a baby to their mother either.

[-] StarManta@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I’m like 80% certain that you’re trolling and no one could be this thick, but just in case: I’m talking about the sex of the baby determining which parent the baby is handed to. That is what is not a thing.

[-] Awerenj@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago
[-] GaryPonderosa@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literal_and_figurative_language

Since we're just linking wikipedia articles that have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

[-] Awerenj@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Explain to me how being killed at birth depending on sex is not a valid response to your completely incorrect and ignorant statement that babies are treated the same irrespective of sex.

[-] GaryPonderosa@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

Explain to me how you saw a link covering literal and figurative language and still decided to ask such an ignorant question.

[-] Awerenj@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

So now you are just being a coward and claiming that you were just speaking figuratively while desperately trying to derail a conversation you were too ignorant to participate in?

Ok, I accept your concession.

[-] GaryPonderosa@lemmy.world -1 points 1 year ago

I was speaking figuratively when I said all babies are swaddled. You decided to chime in with an irrelevant AkShEwAlLy, so claiming I'm too ignorant to participate in the conversation is very much a case of the pot calling the kettle black. I accept you lack the capacity as a person to admit you were wrong and concede, so instead I bid you good day and hope that someday someone better than you will inspire you to become better yourself.

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