Can't they theme gtk4/libadwaita without editing libadwaita? Like gradience do
I've made a bunch of libadwaita apps, because I like its UI/UX not because I want to break other Desktop Environment. That would mean even more fragmentation.
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If they did you'd have one theme that works with Gnome and one that works with Mint. Both of which would be irrelevant to someone using GTK apps on, say, XFCE on Arch.
Aren't mint themes gtk themes?
Libadwaita is only compatible with gnome and only works with gnome. Other DE's can try to make it work in their DE, but the experience for them is hostile.
To put it mildly, gnome devs are being dicks about it as much as they can be, because they consider themselves the only "real" desktop environment to Linux.
If you want your apps to be cross platform, you can just use gtk3/gtk4 instead, or any other ui library. Even QT.
I use gnome ATM because I think paperwm is the best desktop experience on any OS, but the gnome DE devs are just assholes and they break my heart.
I use Gnome too and I don't like their attitude against other DEs. Their attitude is becoming a real threat to Linux interoperability.
At least we got flatpaks.
Libadwaita is only compatible with gnome and only works with gnome. Other DE's can try to make it work in their DE, but the experience for them is hostile.
Not sure what you mean with "compatible", as libadwaita apps are supposed to work on other DEs as well. It might not fit visually with them, but that's not being incompatible.
Gnome can't use the argument that "theming our apps is incompatible" and then at the same time not allow other DEs to manage window controls and the like to be compatible. Shit attitude and shit arguments.
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They could just accept GTK 4. Anyway, they will need some GTK 4/libadwaita support as there are an increasing number of apps that use it.
Hello fellow citizen, I almost agree but libadwaita is inherently gnome's thing, and libadwaita apps are usually closely built into the gnome desktop, so using it outside of gnome seems weird. Kinda like using Dolphin outside of KDE (tho that's just because of qt). They want to be able to integrate their forks visually.
I don't see libadadwaita as progress. Last week, simple-scan got an update and is stuck to a dark theme since then. To change it, i would have to install gnome-settings and klick a button there. Can't do that via my usual keyboard-combo.
edit: edited Gnome's 'don't theme our apps' away since it's beside the point.
If you actually read through that they say theme away to your heart's content, just please don't report issues to the app developer, report it to the theme developer.
They say that lots of time they could spend developing is managing and investigating bugs that end up being due to the user installing some random poorly-made theme, wasting precious dev time that they are donating for free.
It's a perfectly reasonable request, and has no bearing on whether an app is proprietary or not.
E: the guy above has drastically changed their comment so now mine probably doesn't make sense.
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The gsettings command can change things on the fly in the dconf, assuming that's where the setting actually resides. It's a pain to do, but that means it's possible to write a script that makes the necessary change(s) and that can then be assigned to a keyboard combo.
For example, I have one that toggles a Cinnamon panel between the top and the bottom of its screen (I won't get into why) and currently have it bound to Ctrl-Alt-Space.
It's currently a hack that uses a couple of hardcoded values that I pulled from the dconf by observing what it was set to with the panel in each location. If it finds the first value it changes it to the second, and vice versa.
(In the unlikely event I come to change the layout to something it doesn't recognise, it bails out, doing nothing.)
Anyway, you could probably do something similar to toggle the dark/light mode.
gsettings didn't work in my case. Which is why i guess it's libadwaita. Btw, i'm on XFCE.
edit: though, toggling light/dark via gsettings might work.
editedit: it didn't. But GTK_THEME= did. Which is kinda troublesome still, since you can't switch session variable content for the current session. Needs a wrapper script now.
You can use gradence to set a custom theme.
Once in a while I check the installed packages for a possible dependency on GTK and when I find a program which has one, I look for an alternative to have one dependency less.
The last time I replaced simple-scan with skanlite and it is a much much better scanning program and with a more pleasant ui on top.
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Gnome might as well be proprietary with their shit attitude.
All I want is the ability to disable client side decorations without having to force xwayland with gtk3-classic
No way I'm gonna scroll this 15min article to spot where that's mentioned
TL;DR They want to push even more other desktop environments and distros to use XApps, because a lot of gnome's ex-gtk3 apps now are half-broken and looks alien inside Mint and other distros like Xubuntu.
If an application doesn’t support Cinnamon we can’t ship with it in our Cinnamon edition. The same goes for MATE and Xfce.
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We could do like Ubuntu 24.04. They provide a finished product with a high level of integration. The way they do that is by modifying libAdwaita to support their theme: Yaru. We could do the same with Mint-Y. It would make all GNOME applications look nice in Linux Mint, but we’d have to remove theme selection, since it would only work with Mint-Y. In the long term it wouldn’t solve the main issue either: These applications are designed for a desktop which is more and more different to ours by the day. It’s not just a question of themes or look. Today these apps are losing menubars, themes, tomorrow they might come with no minimize button or anything GNOME doesn’t use.
Pretty reasonable
How are they going to stop using zenity? it is a dependency of steam. And right now the gtk4 version needs a bunch of hacks to follow the system theme as well.
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