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[-] cloud@lazysoci.al 345 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

https://www.nissanusa.com/privacy.html

Sensitive personal information, including driver’s license number, national or state identification number, citizenship status, immigration status, race, national origin, religious or philosophical beliefs, sexual orientation, sexual activity, precise geolocation, health diagnosis data, and genetic information.

Please make this reach the front page because it's beyond ridiculous

[-] ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world 97 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

If you don't mind, please also highlight

health diagnosis data

genetic information

Because omfg, think about those for a second, and how any data that leaves your control is subject to eventual collection by law enforcement, legal or not, and anyone else willing to pay for it (or steal it):

For example, some bonehead rears your vehicle one day, but your health diagnosis data says you have a heart condition, or maybe just high blood pressure. These conditions can involve occasional lightheadedness, though you know yours is well controlled. You don't even think about it anymore because you take care of yourself and all your regular tests are good. But suddenly, you're in this minor accident, not even your fault, and it's no longer a simple rearending because some asshole has brought your health history into it so that YOU and not he will be on the hook for monetary damages.

(Triple if the bozo who hit you is some lame ass drunk rural county sheriff or elected official.)

And "genetic information" is code for DNA. How they would collect your DNA from your car I don't know, but do you REALLY want your genetic information associated with your vehicle and outside the confines of GINA* for the convenience of data sellers? I know I don't. (GINA is also the law that binds companies like 23andMe from selling your genetic data.) But the whole point of trying to legislate personal control over your own genetic information is because of all the dystopian scenarios that can easily evolve from others having it without your consent.

Yet now your car wants it too? Question this. Letting anyone have it by such means does a complete end run around any law meant to keep your personal genetic information private, and guts any rights you may have to your own privacy under the law, because you signed it away. Imagine the billions insurance companies could make, both health and auto, by refusing to pay for this or that because genetically it was a "pre-existing condition" or a "contributing factor" to you getting rearended by a drunk.

I've never been so thrilled to drive an ancient beater in my life.

*Note: GINA is weak already, but legislators are trying to weaken it further still: in 2018 a proposed change meant that "Employers would have been able to demand workers' genetic test results if the bill were to have been enacted."

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[-] Fjern@lemmy.world 47 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

At the very least.. cant the US implement one of the basic rules from GDPR?

In simple terms, what data can companies keep?

Data need to have: OK

Data nice to have: Not OK

[-] gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works 54 points 9 months ago

The US will absolutely not implement anything remotely like GDPR, because that would hurt the profits of a LOT of companies who happen to have a LOT of lobbyists on K street.

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[-] blackn1ght@feddit.uk 24 points 9 months ago

How do they even capture this stuff? Are you expected to write some essays before you can buy the car?

[-] jimbo@lemmy.world 22 points 9 months ago

Meh, it's a CYA policy. They're not actively collecting that data, but if you mention something in those categories in an email, chat, phone call, etc to a Nissan employee, that data might be stored.

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[-] Sami_Uso@lemmy.world 189 points 9 months ago

I got an email from OnStar the other day saying it contacted my bank and updated my card info because I had gotten an old card and hadn't updated the info, I don't pay for OnStar but the dealership MAKES you set it up even if you don't use it.

How the fuck are they allowed to contact my bank and get information like that? Weirded my TF out to say the least.

[-] AbidanYre@lemmy.world 94 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

They did that to me. I specifically gave them a card I knew was going to expire before the trial period was over and they got the new information anyway.

If I remember correctly, it's a "feature" the credit card companies have so your subscriptions don't lapse.

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[-] ramble81@lemm.ee 27 points 9 months ago

Credit cards have actually been doing that for years. It's a feature for recurring payments to reduce the amount of trouble users had when their CC number was compromised or it expired.

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[-] CaptainFlintlockFinn@lemmy.ca 125 points 9 months ago

Lucky for me I can’t afford a new car anyway. I’ll just keep driving my unconnected car.

[-] OberonSwanson@sh.itjust.works 60 points 9 months ago

No kidding, it’s ridiculous to think they expect us to fork over $25k for cars that will invade our privacy. I have a 23 year old car I’ll drive till it’s dead before that ever happens.

[-] Odelay42@lemmy.world 35 points 9 months ago

25k? Lol, I wish. Average new car sale price is 48k.

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[-] thesprongler@lemmy.world 20 points 9 months ago

I will drive my 2013 Honda Fit until the wheels fall off. I love it and with a $20 Bluetooth adapter, it has all the amenities I could need. I think it's insane that people are driving around with a tablet that controls their heat and radio.

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[-] wrath-sedan@kbin.social 113 points 9 months ago

Tesla is only the second product we have ever reviewed to receive all of our privacy “dings.” (The first was an AI chatbot we reviewed earlier this year.) What set them apart was earning the “untrustworthy AI” ding. The brand’s AI-powered autopilot was reportedly involved in 17 deaths and 736 crashes and is currently the subject of multiple government investigations.

How utterly unsurprising. Also,

"Consent” is an illusion
Many people have lifestyles that require driving. So unlike a smart faucet or voice assistant, you don’t have the same freedom to opt out of the whole thing and not drive a car.

This is the kicker, many people need cars for unrelated reasons and the fact that ALL car brands abuse our data means there is no alternative.

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[-] bobbytables@lemmy.world 93 points 9 months ago

Thank you for that link and Thank you to Mozilla for doing those tests. I always suspected something like this but it is good to have it tested and in writing.

My only gripe with the article is this:

All of the car brands on this list except for Tesla, Renault, and Dacia signed on to a list of Consumer Protection Principles from the US automotive industry group ALLIANCE FOR AUTOMOTIVE INNOVATION, INC.

Renault and Dacia aren't available in the US, so there is really no need for them to sign those principles. Which makes Tesla the only one where this is relevant.

[-] extant@lemmy.world 35 points 9 months ago

Wasn't the next line that this agreement they all signed was just something they made up and don't actually follow and no one enforces?

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[-] Anticorp@lemmy.ml 68 points 9 months ago

Oh cool! So cars will be free now since the manufacturers are turning drivers into the product. Right? Right guys? Cars will be free?

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[-] RegularGoose@sh.itjust.works 68 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

It's legitimately cool that buying a new car and having any self-respect whatsoever are mutually exclusive now.

Fuck cars.

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[-] zoe@infosec.pub 53 points 9 months ago

we need a mozilla or a linux car tbh..that is feature upgradable..like adding extensions or apps

[-] dejf@lemmy.world 32 points 9 months ago

We need cars that aren't giant IoT boxes that keep phoning home. The vast majority of "smart" car systems shouldn't need an Internet connection to function. But yes, I agree with your sentiment.

[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 20 points 9 months ago

Never gonna happen unless governments force them.

What WILL happen is that more and more non-critical features will become pay to play. You'll rent the air conditioner in your car.

Installing your own software will become (or likely already is) illegal since if you're u do that you could play without pay on the car that you paid for with your money.

Corporations must be limited I'm what they can do, NOW. No more data monitoring and selling. No more ads pushed. No more pay to play. No more limiting what you can do with the products that you buy and own

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[-] malloc@lemmy.world 50 points 9 months ago

US needs to regulate how data is collected by all companies. This shit is just gross. Is this perhaps one of the reasons why right to repair is opposed so strongly across industries? In addition to selling overpriced manufacturer repair they don’t want us to cripple one of their revenue streams.

From what I understand, right to repair would give consumers and independent repair shops the ability to repair their items and grant them access to schematics/repair manuals, specialty tools, and parts.

In theory, this should make it easier to develop aftermarket parts. And for electronics and software, be able to develop drop in replacements, flash aftermarket hardware, and that function of the car should still work.

In this case car manufacturers don’t want people to rip out their embedded spyware and thus uncouple them from using their data collecting phone apps.

Currently aware of at least one report of a couple of car manufacturers backing some astroturfing groups to oppose right to repair [1]

[1] https://www.ifixit.com/News/80635/car-companies-are-astroturfing-right-to-repair

[-] Vespair@lemm.ee 18 points 9 months ago

US needs to regulate how data is collected by all companies. This shit is just gross.

This would be lovely, and I agree with you, but unfortunately the people scraping every inch of all of our data are the exact same people drafting legislation that they then turn over to their purchased politicians to submit with no edits.

Something needs to be done, but it can't be done in the system as is. We need a real overhaul, at least of electors if not the system itself, before anything is going to get better.

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[-] dog_@lemmy.world 47 points 9 months ago

Don't you just love the digital age? -_-

[-] average_internet_enjoyer@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago

yeah idk why all electrical appliances need to be smart, didn't even want that in the first place

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[-] Cistello@reddthat.com 47 points 9 months ago

So you're telling me that you pay tens of thousands and still pay with privacy

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[-] sigmaklimgrindset@sopuli.xyz 45 points 9 months ago

Guess I’m driving my 2010 Honda Accord and burns oil and leaks steering fluid a few more years.

Should probably get the steering thing fixed.

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[-] WheeGeetheCat@sh.itjust.works 44 points 9 months ago

Capitalism working as expected. 25 flavors of the same bullshit

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[-] hypertown@lemmy.world 41 points 9 months ago

I drive 25 years old car. It was pretty expensive when it was new so it has all the features I care about. I will not buy a new car until I'm forced to. Also the option to just turn on seats heating without having to pay monthly is quite a bonus.

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[-] Iron_Lynx@lemmy.world 36 points 9 months ago

Does this apply to European cars as well? Do we need to start filing GDPR complaints against car manufacturers?

[-] viking@infosec.pub 20 points 9 months ago

I mean, read the article and especially some of the individual reviews. GDPR is all over the place.

As a TL;DR cars made for the EU market score much better than US models, but the devil is in the details. If you've got some time at hand, it's a real eye-opener to go over their summary at the very least.

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[-] Justas@sh.itjust.works 32 points 9 months ago

Mazda wasn't on the list, so I was curious: https://www.mazdausa.com/site/privacy-connectedservices

At least they won't sell your data without permission, for what it's worth these days.

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[-] momtheregoesthatman@lemmy.world 32 points 9 months ago

I'm over here in my wife's Hyundai smoking weed, having unprotected sex and drinking hard liquor. I can't wait for my targeted ads. Served to me on my prison issued JPay translucent tablet. Thank god for technology.

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[-] ErinCrush@lemm.ee 27 points 9 months ago

Sometimes I'm glad I drive an old, barebones features car.

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[-] twistypencil@lemmy.world 23 points 9 months ago

Why is Mozilla consumer reports

[-] roboticide@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago

Best way to sell a browser and software services built on privacy is to do a lot of consumer reports emphasizing the value of privacy.

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[-] brygphilomena@lemmy.world 17 points 9 months ago

They keep it pretty narrow, their focus has always been very heavy in privacy. They don't report on anything else really, just the privacy aspect.

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[-] figaro@lemdro.id 18 points 9 months ago

How does it collect information on sexual activity?

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