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Edit: A bunch of yall don't seem to grasp the concept of a theoretical question

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[–] Candelestine@lemmy.world 56 points 1 year ago

No. Slower than light travel will still enable a smaller amount of colonization of the local area. Where if we do anything that destroys the planet, that's kinda putting all your eggs in one basket. If that goes catastrophically wrong, as things sometimes do, then everything gets fucked up.

It's just an unnecessary risk.

[–] PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com 41 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Yes.

Why not extend our environmental destruction into the farthest reaches of the universe? The heat death of the universe will be humanity extracting every last bit of energy from it to sell ads for the most trivial bullshit imaginable.

[–] PsychedSy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago

I love the idea of our expansion being dependant on destroying our own home planet.

I'd nuke all of you in a second to get to travel the stars. Maybe carve "Later, bitches!" Into siberia with my motherfucking space lasers.

[–] melisdrawing@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

I like the way you think.

[–] Spawn7586@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Oddly specific... What are you doing OP? Should we be worried? Honestly "faster than light" travel is already too generic: do you mean going actually FTL or breaking the space barrier with wormholes or space displacement shenanigans that "look like" FTL? That said, Earth destroyed in a few decades because of the research or the PRODUCTION of such method? A little bit of context would made answering this question way more interesting...

[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

The question is to make us think about the moral and practical aspects of advancing technology, leaving room for different interpretations to encourage diverse discussions. It's like a 'what if' scenario, helping us explore the consequences of scientific progress without prescribing a single answer.

[–] WtfEvenIsExistence@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 year ago

Umm...

Are you the one causing climate change? πŸ€”

[–] GONADS125@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

No. While faster than light travel might secure the human race's survival and intergalactic presence, is the human race more important than our planet? I don't think so..

While I value human life, we're just hairless apes that are both too smart for our own good and still incredibly simple-minded and tribal. Our importance is self-importance. What is the benefit of human-kind for the universe? So far we're making existence worse for other species. We're already destroying our planet.

Emotionally and selfishly I want us to continue going, but I think our existence has been far more detrimental than neutral, and certainly far from a positive impact on nature. We're parasites to this planet, and I think a life-supporting planet is more important than the selfish and detrimental endeavors carried out by one species.

The Earth is more important than our selfish asses.

[–] kava@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

we’re just hairless apes that are both too smart for our own good

By that same logic the Earth is just a rock floating through space with self replicating molecules on it. What makes it any more or less important than us? It's all rather meaningless, no?

We're a virus on Earth, but just like viruses don't care about invading and killing the host - why should we care about killing the Earth? Don't misunderstand me - I think we should try and stop climate change from getting out of control from a practical standpoint. We're stuck here so rising temperatures will have serious long term impacts on our global society. But I think this idolization of nature argument falls flat - feels almost religious.

Main reason for me is that we are just as part of nature as anything else. To assume otherwise is arrogance.

[–] wahming@monyet.cc 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What is the benefit of nature? Worth and importance are intrinsically human judgements, the universe doesn't give a damn about birds and plants any more than it does about us.

If you value life in general, humanity is the best chance life on earth has of ever getting off planet earth and into the galaxy before the sun dies.

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[–] betwixthewires@lemmy.basedcount.com 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No way.

Earth is the homeland, it's the botanical gardens, the tribal reservation, it comes first.

Now, if you could do it on, say, mars, absolutely.

[–] anolemmi@lemmi.social 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yea, FTL travel implies that we have somewhere else to go.

Now while I assume there are plenty of other habitable planets out there, strictly speaking we don’t know that.

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[–] Lmaydev@programming.dev 7 points 1 year ago

Personally no. There's so many other obstacles to overcome with populating other planets that getting there isn't worth destroying the only one we have.

If we had others then maybe.

[–] zacher_glachl@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think a civilization which would destroy their home with the single-minded goal of spreading throughout the universe in the blink of an eye should be allowed to spread beyond their local star system at all. Maybe re-evaluate after giving them a few centuries to mature.

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No. FTL travel does not mean we have the means to transport billions of people and the entire ecology around us including specific conditions of Earth's orbit in terms of temperature, day, month and year length and many other parameters each of those plants, animals,... requires to another place within a few decades.

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[–] TrustingZebra@lemmy.one 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Where would we go? We don't know of any other planets that we could easily live on.

[–] EmoDuck@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Kepler-452b for starters but with FTL travel we could probably find quite a few more

[–] TrustingZebra@lemmy.one 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Unless FTL travel is significantly faster than light, it's usefulness would be limited. Kepler-452 is located about 1,800 light-years from Earth, which means it would take light 1,800 years to travel that distance. Even if our theoritical FTL travel was twice as fast as light, it would still take us 900 years to get there...

Once we get there, it is still unlikely that the planet would be habitable for humans. Quoting Wikipedia:

However, it is unknown if it is entirely habitable, as it is receiving slightly more energy than Earth and could be subjected to a runaway greenhouse effect.

There are closer exoplanets (closest one we know about is Proxima Centauri b), but even those are likely to be poorly suited for humans since we evolved to live specifically on Earth.

[–] MrPoopbutt@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

1800 years as observed from someone else watching the light travel. However, when travelling at c, you experience no time. From a photon's point of view, no time passes between when it is emitted and when it is absorbed.

[–] taladar@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago

Earth isn't travelling with you though so Earth would be toast long before you arrive.

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[–] kale@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 year ago

Have you been playing Starfield? This is related to something in the game.

[–] jet@hackertalks.com 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

That's a very specific scenario.

I would say no. But there's going to be a lot of factors that go into that decision. That I don't have the data for.

I think it's far more likely The Earth is going to live just long enough for us to have multiple planets colonized. Once we have multiple planets destroying a single planet becomes a viable military strategy. So that's when the earth will die.

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[–] theKalash@feddit.ch 3 points 1 year ago

If we'd ever discover FTL travel, the universe and causality would be broken. Earth might as well be a dragon at this point.

[–] moipe@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I feel like, maybe, you just watched Pandorum. As long as we don't let Dennis Quaid drive the ship, we should be okay.

[–] mannycalavera@feddit.uk 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Where are we going to get the infinite energy required to move faster than light? ONSHORE WIND FARMS?!?!

[–] random_character_a@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Free wormhole with every ipad.

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[–] FooBarrington@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You'd have to explain how it will be destroyed. Since FTL allows for time travel it seems like any such crisis could be averted with FTL travel.

[–] kava@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

If I remember correctly, this is an element of the three body problem series. Essentially some type of warp drive would leave long term effects on the surrounding space-time.

Sort of like nuclear fallout, but at the solar system level. Basically to use it safely, you would need to travel at normal lower than light speed to some empty place and then from there use the FTL warp drive.

[–] espentan@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

That's ok. Like taking your car to the track.

[–] banana_meccanica@feddit.it 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

No with just the speed of light, yes with a speed higher than that of light, so beyond space and time.

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[–] RovingFox@infosec.pub 2 points 1 year ago

A vague answer for a vague question, yes.

[–] LastYearsPumpkin@feddit.ch 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yes, however we should wait about 500,000,000 years, cause the earth will be rendered uninhabitable by the sun around that time anyway.

Such a weird question, FTL would theoretically be a savior to the human race, but in what scenario would it be necessary to destroy the earth to make it work. Why couldn't you sacrifice Venus, or Neptune, or just fly for a decade or two out of the solar system before turning it on?

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