Judging from their past and all the bad actions they have done in the past, bad for democracy, privacy, minorities and marginalised people and how openly they have a far/extreme-right bias. Well I feel extremely negative about them joining in. They were also part of destruction of another open/federated protocol in the past: they played big part in destroying XMPP/Jabber messaging. So I am afraid they will do their usual embrace, extend, and extinguish thing and their surveillance capitalist thing and yeah. no good. Best to block their instances outright.
this post was submitted on 19 Jun 2023
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I was going to say, while we can't do Mich about them adopting an open protocol, please defederate with them
Yeah, I was thinking of Jabber as well, when I heard this. For a brief period everything was perfect. Facebook and Google were both using Jabber. And even WhatsApp was using it, I think. So if you had an account somewhere you could actually chat with all your friends, totally unimpeded.
EU should hurry up with their federation laws.
you can still use XMPP. i use it, my family uses it.
hate facebook all you want (i certainly do) but dont act like normies would be living in a federated utopia without them. theyd be on whatever is closed source with the most number of people and the most advertising dollars behind it and the simplest user experience. normies like easy, and its hard to blame them.
EU should hurry up with their federation laws.
What do you mean?
Holy shit! Had no idea! Thanks, mate.
Common EU W
The EU really are the protectors of the free and open internet. Given the Republicans would kill any attempts to pass any regulations here in the States, we're basically reliant on the EU to save us. So thanks, guys :)
Ack. I just said almost the same thing before I read your comment.
They are free to set up an instance. Not sure who would federate with them.
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It's an easy fix. If an instance you're a part of federates with them then just move to a new instance.
Hopefully this will put instance blocking on the top of the list.
They what now? Wtf
Meta is developing a twitter like app called Threads which will implement ActivityPub.
Give meta the boot
If they join the Fediverse I am leaving. We have made the Fediverse to get away from coorporations like them, letting them join us will defeat the whole point of what we have.
The great thing about the fediverse is you can just not federate with them.
To me it sounds like they are trying to Embrace, Extend, Extinguish the fediverse. I wouldn't doubt if at first they adopted it with all the standards then started doing proprietary crap
Meta are doing WHATβ½
A federated reddit clone named threads.
Sounds like it is going to be more of a Twitter clone unless I read a shit article. It also sounds like they might not federate with mastodon or other instances to keep everyone in their meta ecosystem.
'What a lovely Nope you have going on there.'
π¨ DANGER! π¨
β¦That about sums up my feelings on this subject.
I feel like they'll just scrape it to feed their data driven ad machine. To them it's just a free open source of data to repackage and sell.
It's the old Microsoft strategy again - Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.
They deserve a good boot up the arse before they put one up our's.
They're trojan horse. We can't stop them from creating their own servers, but we can choose to defederate them. Up with the Anti-Meta Defederation Pact
I'd reaaally rather not have that happen.
Even if they were somehow not evil, the sheer volume would technologically destroy any instance that tried to federate with them.
Pros:
- my friends join
- larger community = more content
- meta funding would likely contribute to fediverse growth and improvements
- any instance can defederate them from said instance, which would mitigate almost every con
Cons:
- Meta is evil and wants all your information to profile you and sell to other companies for profit
News story I looked up. Fuck Meta and all the other money-sucking bastards that want to commodify every breath I take.
https://fediversereport.com/meta-plans-on-joining-the-fediverse-the-responses/
My problem with that is then the fediverse doesn't grow, meta controls the largest instance, and they make money off any posts that go viral here. I have to disagree for those reasons. They can go.
And theyβd probably build in things to a slightly off standard so itβs not fully interoperable and when people call them out theyβll say itβs an improvement and theyβll be making it public any day now pinkie swears.
Fuuuuuck no! This isn't actually happening right? This is just an idea I hope?
For myself, I'm not a fan either. But I think it could be a very good thing for the fediverse (still not a fan of that word)
which, as I understand it, is all about choice: the ability to easily access content across the fediverse, with the ability to ignore it just as easily.
If it ends up breeding toxicity, then I'll block any subs, and possibly the whole instanceβ . And if it gets really bad, I'll just find a lemmy/mastodon/whatever instance that has defederated from them.
β Sounds like this maybe isn't possible yet, but is being looked at https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/2397
I think @tchambers put it well on his Mastodon post: no need to preemptively block, but "stay vigilant with eyes wide open and a finger on the block button."
no need to preemptively block
I think this is like a Lucy and Charlie Brown trying to kick the football situation. How many times are we going to give capitalists who have shown their true colors over and over the benefit of the doubt and be shocked when they proceed to embrace, extend, and destroy?
It's not a preemptive block, it's a block based on a history of problematic actions.
Edit: Though idk if "blocking" them from making an instance is even an option. I expect a separate island of instances not federating with for-profit instances.
Block them or Iβm gone
we shouldnt let them in. they would have done decentralized service years ago if there was money in it for them. They either want us to stop or try to seize control in only way that can -> by worming in.
We must have zero-tolerance for corporations or we might as well just give up.
Bad. I just feel bad.
I think they would take advantage of Fediverse and destroy it.
They'll probably adopt, adapt, and extinguish. So no, fuck 'em.
Lmao want nothing to do with them. One of the reasons Iβm here is to escape these dogshit corpos
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