Honestly, I also don't like Android. But well, Linux phones are still lagging behind, which is a shame, or else I would have gone for one.

"blue vs green bubble" drama is a thing

Ha ha ha in one single country full of narcissistic idiots

😂

I promise it's not a thing, mate

Fanboy wars are exhausting, stupid, and unproductive.

You will be a happier person when you stop giving a shit about what phone or operating system someone else uses.

I've owned flagship androids and iphones. I like my iPhone better, sorry. If other companies want to make a better product, I'll switch back again. It's not really about the exclusivity/walled garden nonsense.

Google is no better.

"blue vs green bubble" drama

is not real... it's some bullshit marketing thing... nobody cares what kind of phone you have

As a person who has never owned anything but android...you can't possibly think Google is any less evil.

It's really weird that this is what you imagine when someone buys something from a giant corporation that isn't your preferred giant corporation.

For like the fiftieth time, no one that matters cares what phone you bought, what OS it runs, or what color your texts are on other phones you didn't buy. As a person that keeps buying iPhones, I don't care what you buy. Please feel free to stop caring what I buy.

As an Android user, Android phones with Google Play Services are no better - in fact I'd say they're probably worse

Your phone privacy is owned by your isp and the OS maker. You arent doing the world any better being on android. Google is fucking awful too. Both are awful and should be broken up. They are way too large and powerful and only having 2 phone OSes in the world everyone runs made by 2 greeeeedy ass corporations is the problem neither of you can solve gloating about which evil corp you give money to to interact with modern society.

There is plenty to criticize about Apple when it comes to anti-consumer and anti-competitive business practices...

But if you're gonna talk on the level of "evil" and "freedom", Apple's greatest sin is their supply chain.

And then there's Google, whose evil I would place somewhere between [Apple’s] pseudo-monopoly and [Apple’s] pseudo-slavery. At least Apple is a tech company. Google is a surveillance company that just happens to make tech so they can monitor you more closely.

Working with the shared-space AR APIs in iOS and Android really drove home the difference in their priorities. The iOS SDK only allowed us to share AR data through a local, SDK-managed connection. The data is opaque, can't be directly serialized, and doesn't work anyway if you try to persist/distribute it yourself. Android, on the other hand... They wanted us to upload your AR data to Google-owned servers, where they could do Google-knows-what with the scans of your living room.

It's sad that we're at a point where you have to either pay for your privacy, or pay with your privacy. But we can at least not be naive about it. Android is more interoperable, more prolific, and more lenient with third-party code. And that's because it's a good strategy if you're a surveillance giant. Not because it's good for consumers.

Edit:

Got a couple of comments that are like "Um, actually, Apple is still subject to government surveillance and exploits".

Let me be clear: You should not expect any off-the-shelf product to shield you from intelligence agencies and state-sponsored hackers. You will have to radically change your life to accomplish that, and "Apple or Google?" won't even be a relevant question for you.

And I'm not saying Apple doesn't do shady monitoring for their own commercial purposes.

All I'm saying is that Google's core business model is shady monitoring, and that directly influences their decisions regarding Android. So painting it as the commoner's hero against the greedy walled-garden warden is a dangerous proposition.

There are no good guys here.

There's some hardware, SDKs, and back-end services that you can evaluate on their own merits if you're capable.

But if you want to just look at business practices:

• There's one company that doesn't want to integrate with anything outside of their own products -- because that's good for their bottom line.
• And there's one company that wants to integrate with anything and everything -- because that's good for their bottom line.

Don't assume the difference is benevolence.

Constantly amused at how hard android users defend their choice and act like it's iPhone users doing the same.

Always reminds me of the way right wing / Trump supporters behave. They are obsessed with liberals and the Democratic Party in then same way android users are obsessed iPhone users and Apple.

As an iPhone user, I spend no time thinking about android users and I certainly don't post threads looking for others to validate my purchase.

The corporate oligarchy of unmerica working exactly as designed, divide and conquer

They are all kind of terrible right now, at least for me. I hate what the big companies are doing, and the smaller projects such as Fairphone simply aren't good enough yet. Guess I'll try to make my existing one last for as long as possible, though that was already the plan.

I don't get why people always bring up the "drama" of the bubble color on iphone texts. That "drama"was overblown. I've never met anyone who actually cares if another person's using a different type of phone than them. Those people have got to be such a small minority of the population (and likely have a huge overlap with the ones that are just crap people already.) At this point bringing up the bubble colors is just a convenient way to fill out a dull argument.

I cant be the only one who dreams of apple and all their pattents becoming foss.

Itl never happen under capitalism but damn would it be nice.

I’m pretty much roped in at this point within their ecosystem, it all just talks together and works most of the time. Possibly I’ll regret it at some point in time when my secret history of browsing Margaret Thatcher furry porn is exposed to the world as punishment for criticizing the newest Apple Butt Plug attachment, but for now it just works better than the alternatives that I’ve seen.