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Honestly, I'm surprised this didn't happen sooner. Emulating old hardware is one thing, but they have a current vested interest in their most recent console.
Still, Nintendo's lawyers can rub spurge on their eyes, and I hope the Yuzu devs find a great lawyer (or better yet, are safely hidden behind some kind of digital or geopolitical veil).
safely hidden behind some kind of digital or geopolitical veil
When will people learn that the safest place to develop a Nintendo emulator is Pyongyang?
“Nintendo sues” oh look it’s a day that ends in Y. The only person Nintendo isn’t dead set on suing is Nintendo.
Here’s you 937th remake of Super Mario Bros 2 that you can only rent, have a nice day.
And our online service is absolute trash but you’ll pay anyway to have a legal emulator until we also discontinue that for Super other garbage online service!
Don't forget that they will hide behind arbitration to avoid paying up for knowing seeking shoddy consoles/controllers.
Oh don't even get me started. Hall effect has been known since 1879, those JoyCons didn't use it because it was cheaper to use shitty graphite. They literally went the cheap ass route because they didn't even care.
You know why I played the games on yuzu? It’s because the joycons suck and they are expensive to replace.
I did the stick drift repair on my own, but the L and R buttons are soldiered to the main board so it can’t be repaired.
I bought a right joycon on its own and then the next week the left joycon had the same issue.
I wasn’t going to spend about $90 for an unreliable controller when an entire steamdeck costs $500.
It really paints the picture that the controllers are way over priced how can they alone be 20% the cost of the entire steamdeck.
If Nintendo made decent joycons, then I would not be using Yuzu.
Additionally, I dumped my own games and keys, so they got their money and through some effort, I got a better experience.
I’d like to add that the joycons were not heavily used either.
Joycon drift is the main reason why I stopped playing my switch.
Oh shit, there's a working open source switch emulator out there? Thanks Nintendo!
Aaaaaaaand downloaded the source code, Windows Installer, and Linux installer. Thanks again Nintendo, I really can't express how thankful I am you brought attention to this!
Wanna hear something funny? It works on steam deck
And not just works. It works REALLY WELL. I dumped my switch onto my steam deck and sold it ages ago.
Yup. Steam Deck is literally the Switch 2.0 at this point. Upscaled graphics, better frame rates, modding capability, etc…
If anyone or anything is facilitating piracy of Nintendo games on an enormous scale, it's the asinine anti-consumer policies of Nintendo themselves.
Mirrored it just in case something happens
Streisand effect in action. I am never going to buy anything Nintendo, because they're a dog-shit company. I hadn't realised a Switch emulator existed. Andddd... My wife would really like to play Pikmin 4.
I wonder if they ever realise how much money they could make by releasing PC versions of their games.
Tears of the Kingdom is great, but I can't help but think how good it would look running in full 4K 60fps on a 55" OLED, with a controller that doesn't disconnect every five minutes.
As if Nintendo would actually do this. They'd do it like other Japanese developers 15 years ago: windowed 1280x720, no graphics settings, no keyboard support, no quit-to-desktop button.
I don't need to imagine it. I own the game and it looks like crap compared to it running on yuzu on PC. 4K 60fps is the way. Can't go back.
Gonna be real interesting how this plays out.
IANAL (and am not a lawyer) but the general takeaway of Sony vs Bleem was "emulation fine so long as you aren't using proprietary code". Hence why it is generally "find your own BIOS" and all that.
The nonsense about yuzu is facilitating piracy is going to be a mess. But I do wonder if Tears of the Kingdom is not going to be a problem. Because it was not at all hidden as to why Yuzu et al suddenly had a bunch of mysterious compatibility updates a day or two after the leaked roms went online.
Even the argument that the devs who worked on that had totally legit copies they got from Uncle Greg's Game Store on 2nd street might get into a mess if nintendo argues those weren't legitimately sold because they broke embargo date. And it is hard to argue those improvements were for people to play their own dumps.
So yeah. Gonna be real interesting (assuming this isn't just an attempt to legal fee yuzu to death). Because if I were to put on my day job hat: Doing ANYTHING based on pre-release material is a huge no no since they only had access to it because people violated contracts with Nintendo's distributors.
And... the more I look at this, the more I think the yuzu devs may have fucked it all up for the rest of us and it really depends on if nintendo's lawyers drill in on that or continue for the broad reaching stuff.
Streisand effect is currently very active on this one. Thousands of news outlets, many extremely casual and geared towards average joes who never new emulation existed, are now all being told that "this thing called yuzu can play switch games for free". Nintendo is shooting themselves in the foot. Even if Yuzu dies, it will get forked and people who never knew emulation existed, now do, and look for alternatives.
Meanwhile Ryujinx
Do they have a patreon? I think part of Nintendo’s extermination policy is “if you try to make money from it, it’s lost revenue, and we will murder you.” For example dolphin has been around forever, but always open source and without a patreon or the like
EDIT:
Answered my own question
RIP
Web browsers facilitate piracy too
The electric company is clearly complicit.
The Switch facilitated piracy of Switch games because the games only exist because of the hardware.
I sure hope Nintendo sues those filthy Switch people out of existence!
It is always morally correct to pirate nintendo products.
Or anything by megacorps in general really
I'm pretty impressed with The Verge this time around.
They did a very good job quickly explaining the legal stance and argument that Nintendo has with their lawsuit, what needs to happen for it to be successful, and how the precedent set in 1999 around emulators isn't applicable to this suit.
if it runs better, at a higher resolution, with the option of using a reliable controller, i will emulate it.
Nintendo is basically saying that they are guilty of enabling piracy.
That same argument would paint gun makers as guilty of enabling murder and crime. Nintendo should really be going after rom sharing sites. That’s totally legit, but not the emulation devs.
If they have a fund for legal costs I’ll donate.
That same argument would paint gun makers as guilty of enabling murder and crime.
You'd be correct of the law were logical, but it is not. Check this out: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_number#Illegal_primes
So instead of making their games more easily accessible and re-releasing old games, which has been proven to reduce piracy and may even be profitable, they just throw money at a lawsuit attacking an emulator?
Can't sell boats anymore, they clearly facilitate piracy at a colossal scale. /s
fuck Nintendo and their shitty buisness.
Emulators are not only good for preserving games, they are good for consumers - preserving their acess to games they own.
their "illegal" bullshit is just because they don't port their games to anything.
Nintendo can eat shit and learn how to port and sell their older titles as well
Nintendo give an example in their complaint with The Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom saying that it was "unlawfully distributed a week and a half before its release by Nintendo" and that copies of it were "successfully downloaded from pirate websites over one million times before the game was published and made available for lawful purchase by Nintendo".
Back when I was on that shithole other link aggregation website, I said this would happen because people couldn't wait 7 more days for the public release before bragging about emulating TotK and sharing a clearly-not-legally-dumped ROM around.
I don't care what people do in their free time as long as it doesn't affect anyone else negatively, but it was hard not to see this coming because people couldn't keep their mouths shut and just enjoy the game. Now, we all might lose future updates to Yuzu if they settle or Nintendo wins the suit...
Why don't they sue PC manufacturers for producing the hardware that led to the emulator?
Why don't people sue gun manufacturers every time somebody is murdered? Or vehicle manufacturers each time an accident happens?
Suing Yuzu for piracy seems incredibly fucking stupid and nonsensical, but I'm sure the Neanderthals in the courtroom will side with Nintendo.
knife manufacturer sued for facilitating murder
I'd prefer to use proprietary products but Nintendo have shit business practices and I hate them so Yuzu it is always and forever
Thanks Nintendo, this shit reminded and motivated me to cancel the auto-renew for my subscription. It is done.
Nintendon't: sues for "facilitating piracy"
Also Nintendon't: facilitates piracy by restricting access to games people want to play
Also Nintendon't: facilitates piracy by pointing people to Yuzu
Also Nintendon't: facilitates piracy by hinting that "free" access to games might be at risk
Also Nintendon't:
Wow, fuck Nintendo. For well over a decade they didn't give a shit about emulating old games. In fact, it was and is still the only way to play a lot of old games. Now nintendo is trying to use their shit flimsy online emulator as an excuse to claim IP right to 30 year old games they don't give a shit about. Granted this is about the emulator itself, but doesn't matter. Guess I won't be buying the next switch console.
There's a fairly big difference between "you're making an emulator for a console we stopped selling anything for a decade ago" and "you are actively cutting into the sales of everything we are currently doing"
Frankly, Im not quite sure what anyone expected. Of course they were going to go after them harder tan usual, especially when they made it pretty obvious they used proprietary code from TOTK. I'm as pro-piracy as they come, but ya still gotta use some of your brain.
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Eh, I don't really care. Now that every manufacturer and developer under the sun has decided I don't own the games I buy. I couldn't care less about their games getting pirated. I mean, I don't own the game anyway according to their ToS, I just rent it.
But it's more than that. I can't even find old game isos easily anymore. Nintendo went out of their way to threaten legal action against sites that had been up for over a decade so they could do their shitty online emulator store.
They're going after everyone now. I bought my switch in 2016, won't be buying another one.
i'm afraid that if NoA wins this, console manufacturers might start slapping DRM into their consoles, and therefore making them (legally) unemulatable and potentially discouraging development of modern console emulation.
now sure, this is a piracy sub, but i'm not sure if the yuzu devs are keen into piracy...
i also wonder if there's any way to fight back. people who dump their legal copies are being screwed as well.
brb downloading Yuzu repo
I litterly saw this and proceeded to download yuza
I don't even want to play any games on it right now I just did it as a middle finger to Nintendo
I did not know this, I will now go see if there is anything worth playing.
This is like a CIA Pulitzer. Nintendo could not have made a better endorsement of Yuzu's performance.