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Awesome, I hope this catches on, or at least serves as a tiny argument why egoists might not want to buy SUVs.
In our small town, you practically can't park an SUV on most parking spaces without reaching into the also-far-too-narrow sidewalk or street, but law enforcement is far too lenient for the egoists to care.
GETTEM PARIS
John now regretted moving to France and starting his car rental company for American tourists, specifically catered to cross polinate traffic protestors across the continents. "Liberty Convoy Services" was now in shambles.
What counts as an SUV? Suzuki LJ80? Lada Niva? Parking those costs more than parking a Rolls Royce Phantom or Lincoln Continental?
The prices will apply to vehicles weighing more than 1.6 tonnes with a combustion engine or hybrid vehicles, and more than 2 tonnes for electric vehicles. The move will not apply to Paris residentsβ parking.
So sounds like it's weight based, which makes sense I think
Yeah, weight is really the best method.
Right, just until you realize that 1.6 tons for a ICE car is basically a medium size car (my Scenic score 1.4 tons for example) and 2 tons exclude a lot of electric cars (for example 3 out of 4 Tesla)
1.6 tons is quite frankly an insane weight for a vehicle to transport an 80kg human around. That is 20 times the weight of what you want to transport, not to mention the volume overhead and required space on the road including safety distances.
As long as you are alone, I agree. But if you have a family a somewhat bigger car is not that wasted and the 1.6 tons limit cover a lot of cars that can be used by a family.
If they really wanted to do something for the environment, like they justified the misure, they should have not put a limit on the EV (at least for now) and they should have used the engine capacity or power.
If anything people had bigger families in the past but somehow the capacity per car weight has gone down significantly, both for people and cargo.
If anything people had bigger families in the past
Last time I was in France (4 years ago, before Covid) it was not uncommon to see families with 3 children, so I don't know... maybe there are not that many in Paris...
The current fertility rate for France in 2024 is 1.847 births per woman, a 0.05% decline from 2023
Sounds about right. Western and Central Europe is aging rapidly. I doubt Paris is much of an exception to that rule.
I guess the car industry did not have any pressure to not make heavy as fuck cars until now. If this takes off across the continent, that will push down car weights a bit at least.
The car I had before I went car-free weighed 1.3 tons and was big enough to sleep in with 2 people on a real mattress, or to comfortably carry 5 people with their luggage, or transport a fridge.
Wouldn't it make more sense to base it on length and width? I'd assume there's already various taxes on fuel consumption, but in parking, length and width are what actually matters.
Weight matters to the maintenance of the parking spaces too.
I'd assume that lack of space is a lot more critical than maintenance costs in Paris.
Which metric to use is also related to how they are going to enforce it. Surely they wonβt weigh cars. Itβs more realistic to base it on makes.
Since they say that the SUVs are "bad for the environment" I would have used the engine displacement or power.
That would do nothing to stop giant EVs, which are just as bad for taking up huge amounts of space.
Wait, if we talk about taking up huge amount of space, using the weight does not make any sense: a Renault Espace or an Audi A6 are bigger than a my Scenic but they weight the same (some models anyway).
Mayor Anne Hidalgo argued that SUVs are both dangerous and bad for the environment;
It's also size and height of the hood.
All five of the Pariesians that have SUVs gonna be pissed!
This law doesnβt apply to locals, only visitors.
Kinda, if they use their car to move around Paris (i.e. parking far from their home address) they'll have to pay the fee.
Yeah, this bit is unfortunate but understandable
There are lots of SUVs in Paris unfortunately. If you have kids and your car is a status symbol for you, SUVs are the default choice in France...
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