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[–] gerryflap@feddit.nl 83 points 9 months ago (3 children)

As far as I understand, Europe will push for removable batteries by 2027.. So we might actually get back to those glory days.

[–] MeanEYE@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago

Might is the key word. I honestly doubt it will be like in the old days where you just pop the lid and put a new one. EU requires replaceable battery by the end user but it doesn't state how simply that can be done. Am expecting to see something like few screws at the bottom of the phone and stuff like that. But even that will be awesome.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 77 points 9 months ago (21 children)

I still won't buy a phone without a microSD slot.

GET OFF MY LAWN!

[–] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago (6 children)

What phones even still do? Sonys? Low end Samsungs? Fairphone?

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] Maven@lemmy.sdf.org 24 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Crazy how every time someone asks what brand even supports some previously-normal feature, the answer is always Motorola. Headphone jack, FM radio, SD card, stylus...

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 58 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

That's actually making a comeback because the EU got pissed.

My phone's brand new and it has a removable battery, not even in the EU

[–] fat_stig@lemmy.world 44 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I think it is because the EU listened to the people. This is what you get when elected representatives are not bankrolled by big business, and are allowed to enact legislation that doesn't only benefit one side.

[–] redditReallySucks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

This is what you get when elected representatives are not bankrolled

The car lobby in the eu: Am I a joke to you?

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[–] TheSpermWhale@lemmy.world 57 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Coz batteries degrade over time, and this way you’re either forced to buy a new phone, or have to pay to have the battery replaced

[–] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 39 points 9 months ago (1 children)

It's also 10x easier to achieve IP67 water resistance with the battery sealed off. Having a removable battery would require more engineering contrary to shareholders' wishes.

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[–] Cover_czar@lemmy.ml 38 points 9 months ago (9 children)

No headphone jack
No memory card slot
No ir blaster

Why are they making it a useless device??

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Because we still fucking buy them

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 33 points 9 months ago (1 children)

To sell you more phones. Duh.

[–] brey1013@lemmy.world 18 points 9 months ago

OP up in here learning about late-stage capitalism like 😲

[–] cosmicrookie@lemmy.world 32 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (12 children)

They used to have microSD..

[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 40 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Who needs a micro SD when you can pay a subscription cloud service for the rest of your life???? - morons responding to me every time I lament the need for an SD card

Not to mention if your screen gets fucked you can remove the card and have all your photos / movies instantly

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[–] tslnox@reddthat.com 31 points 9 months ago (7 children)

The only valid reason is waterproofing. If the phone isn't waterproof, it's only to limit repairability... Also one factor in that was, I believe, the thinness war, but that's pretty much over now as they all got to the practical limit I guess.

[–] KrokanteBamischijf@feddit.nl 28 points 9 months ago (5 children)

Unfortunately we still see too many people push the "but my IP rating" narrative without realising that engineers are perfectly able to design gaskets for all kinds of applications.

Some phones with removable batteries even had them and were (to a certain degree) waterproof.

The ONLY reason phones are no longer servicable is profits. Why extend a product's lifespan if you can just frustrate the consumer to the point where they will just buy another one?

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[–] gerbler@lemmy.world 19 points 9 months ago (6 children)

The Galaxy S5 was IP67 waterproof and had a removable battery and a headphone jack.

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[–] octopus_ink@lemmy.ml 18 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (9 children)

I'm not even sure thinness was something consumers ever would have demanded (at the sacrifice of battery life) if the mfrs hadn't pushed it as a selling point.

In the flipphone days I didn't know many people who didn't have at least one spare battery, so they could swap to a fresh one on the go without having to charge, or bought extra thick batteries with higher capacity, extending the back of the phone.

Then when smartphones had removable batteries, lots of people still did those things. And all during that time I remember many reviewers and consumers reacting to many of the "thinness" claims with "I'd really like a bigger battery instead."

I also remember it being proven that apple's removal of the headphone jack impacted neither waterproofing nor thinness, despite their claims. (But then of course one by one others started following suit.)

I think it's better for mfrs and that's the only reason. It saves them money on mfr, or gets phones tossed in the bin faster. Possibly both.

I'd still take 2 or 3 more mm of thickness for an amazing battery.

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[–] ulterno@lemmy.kde.social 17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (5 children)

My casio watch is waterproof. [100M Water Resistant] And it has a user replacable battery. With a gasket inside and cool looking screws. (yes, I consider screws to be cool) Also, it costs less than $20

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[–] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 30 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Why do you think my old ass bought a fair phone

[–] ignotum@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Same here

They say stuff like repairability, durability, not using child slavery, yada yada not important

the easily replaceable battery is what really caught my eye and brought me to the yard!

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[–] Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I kinda hate the fact they took of the headphone jack. Conveniently, they started selling their own buds with that launch

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[–] apfelwoiSchoppen@lemmy.world 25 points 9 months ago (12 children)

Take away user choice, use really bad excuses like water proofing and space saving, and you can be sure consumers will iteratively buy more frequently and spend more for cloud services.

Bye battery Bye bye headphone jack Bye bye user expandable storage.

Capitalism has steered us to this as the preferable product.

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[–] PanArab@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago

A lot of anti-user design choices were first introduced by the iPhone. As someone who has owned iPhones since the iPhone 3G, I blame myself.

[–] FrankTheHealer@lemmy.world 21 points 9 months ago (19 children)

My Fairphone 3 still has a removable battery. I replaced the battery myself last year. It took me 10 seconds once it arrived.

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[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 20 points 9 months ago (14 children)

Integrating the battery saves a small amount of space and weight. That makes the phone very slightly thinner and lighter, which is what most people seem to prefer. Same with not having expandable memory. IMO it's a bad tradeoff, but I still miss physical keyboards.

[–] Benaaasaaas@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago (2 children)

The stupid part is that they will buy phone cause it's 0.1mm thinner and then slap on 3mm phone case on top.

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[–] smileyhead@discuss.tchncs.de 19 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Computers were not stopping you from running any software you want, until they got small enough for people to forget they are still computers.

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[–] Steamymoomilk@sh.itjust.works 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

"There removable, see all you need is 7 specialized tools!"

"We cant have users replacing there own batterys what if they puntchure or swallow the battery?"

"Making the battery removable would make the phone more bulky and limits innovation"

-Companys BS reasons

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[–] DLSantini@lemmy.ml 17 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Some still do. I just started working at Walmart, and they give you a Samsung phone to do your job. You use the camera for scanning tags, shelving, check item status, and a bunch of other shit. It's a modern phone, with USB c, fingerprint sensor in the power button, android 13, stupid hole-punch camera, etc. And when I pulled off the otterbox case they gave me with it, I found that the back pulls off and the battery pops out, like all of my phones used to do back in the day. I assume that's so they can more easily keep these phones in use, as they can pull out a failing battery and pop a new one in without having to send the phone sent off for servicing.

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[–] Yerbouti@lemmy.ml 15 points 9 months ago (4 children)
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[–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

This is so the spyware can't be disabled via battery removal

[–] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 15 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Also so that phones require more frequent replacement. Usually the battery goes first. It doesn't hold a charge or undervolts and slows down the phone. They want you to buy a new phone every two years.

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[–] Bismuth@lemmy.cafe 14 points 9 months ago (4 children)

I remember when my mom had a phone with a removable battery, she would drop it a lot and it would separate into a gazillion components but it wouldn't break. I miss the days

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[–] renzev@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Recently switched from a certain predatory fruity phone to a phone from a certain Dutch manufacturer that has removable battery and replaceable parts. At some point, it got water damaged, and the charging circuit stopped working. While I'm waiting for the replacement part to arrive, I can continue using it by charging the battery with a bench power supply. Feels good man!

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[–] SeekPie@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago (7 children)
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[–] stoly@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

I suspect that this was considered a feature when it was fist envisioned and technology progressed so quickly that you needed a new phone each year just to use available services. In that light, it didn't matter if your battery only lasted 2 years.

Now that you can run your cell phone easily for 5 - 7 years, batteries are important again. Thank you EU for requiring replaceable ones in the future, you may have helped the entire world.

[–] gerowen@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago

Planned obsolescence

[–] uis@lemmy.world 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)
[–] sxan@midwest.social 16 points 9 months ago

The EU, despite (valid) criticisms and pravacy mis-steps, is right now the only large, powerful organization fighting for consumer rights. I wish I, as an American, could support them, because the laws the EU is passing benefit me as well.

Go EU, indeed!

[–] kumatomic@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 points 9 months ago (2 children)

They also had keyboards that worked well and there was even real competition for on-screen keyboards until Google bought out and dissolved the best keyboard because they really want your ducking typing data.

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[–] foggy@lemmy.world 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The craziest part to me is that it wasn't until they started forcing them to be stuck inside phones all the time that they started exploding. And yet the FTC still doesn't give a shit

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