A rough translation of the principle of Ubuntu is "humanity towards others". Another translation could be: "the belief in a universal bond of sharing that connects all humanity". : linuxmemes

[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 100 points 5 months ago

Okay... I don't even like Ubuntu, I'm still pissed at snaps, but I'm going to call it bullshit. OP is being at the very least disingenuous, if not worse (witch hunting).

Ubuntu Pro is a subscription system with the following features:

Extended security maintenance - 10 years of backported features, because enterprise hates dist-upgrade. By then human users upgraded their systems at least once, probably way more.
Live-patching kernel updates - because enterprise hates restart downtime. If it's your personal machine you simply reboot after installing a new kernel, no biggie.
"Compliance and hardening" - basically a way to ensure that a machine follows a bunch of security protocols irrelevant for human users, and exchanging usability for less surface area in a way that human users wouldn't want.

Are you noticing the pattern here? It's junk that enterprise cares about, but you don't. Canonical is milking corporations.

To make the comparison with airbag vests even worse, Pro is free for personal use, up to 5 machines. So it's more like Canonical is saying "since we know that stupid bizniz bureaucracy prevents them from regularly replacing airbag vests, we're willing to repair them for a price. For free if you're a random nobody, by the way."

And no, it does not contradict the Ubuntu principle, as your title implies.

And since I can't be arsed to rebuke this shite being cross-posted to !latestagecapitalism@lemmygrad.ml, I'll do it here. (I apologise to the others for posting politics here.)

The airbag vest part alone would be a good example of late capitalism; the business is clearly seeking to add surplus value to the goods. And since that surplus value cannot come from paying less for the labour of the workers, it comes from the buyers/"subscribers" - transforming the goods into a service, and commodifying personal security.

Ubuntu Pro is not this, as I've shown above. But even if it worked somehow like you're implying that it does, through both threads (i.e. you don't have ubuntu pro = you don't get security updates), it would still not be an example of late stage capitalism: security updates are a service by nature, requiring additional labour to be produced, specially when you're backporting a patch to ancient software.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 66 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Memes are cool. Blatant misinformation in the form of a meme to manufacture outrage, not so much.

[+] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml -20 points 5 months ago

huh? what is the misinformation here?

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 46 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Even though this has been explained many times since the whole hullabaloo, I'll assume you're genuinely unaware and/or perhaps got rage-farmed by someone else's meme. The current meme implies that Ubuntu/Canonical have actively disabled safety/security features in the form of withholding security updates, unless you pay for Ubuntu Pro subscription. The Ubuntu package support hasn't changed with the introduction of Ubuntu Pro. The packages that were supported by Canonical prior to this are supported the same way today. The packages that were community supported prior to this are supported the same way today. Without Ununtu Pro. There is net new support by Canonical that covers community-supported packages too which is available with Ubuntu Pro subscription. Therefore Canonical hasn't removed any existing, previously free security support. In addition, this newly added security support is available for free for up to 5 machines and it lasts for 10 years.

More info here: https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-pro-faq/34042

[+] kadu@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago

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[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 6 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

how will I be able to comment “Ubuntu bad” in every thread and feel like a genius for not using “normie” distros?

Ubuntu Dash including Amazon ads not too long ago; it was not pretty, security-wise.
The whole fiasco behind Unity and Mir, and Canonical's propensity to reinvent the wheel at home.
Snap. Anything [wait... wait... wait...] Snap.

That said this is usually fixed by upgrading it into Mint, and Mint is pretty much a "normie" distro, so you don't need to go out of your way to install Gentoo or say "I use Arch BTW".

EDIT: in other words there's enough shit to throw at Ubuntu, we (people in general) don't need to make it up like OP is doing.

[-] zecg@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I agree with all three. I always removed (not too long ago) all those lenses with apt, install whatever display server I want with apt and use apt to remove all traces of snap. I still use it, though. For dudes using gnu/linux at home Ubuntu is just Debian without the drama.

[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 1 points 5 months ago

That's what I did, too - it isn't like there is no choice within Ubuntu. We could still use it to manufacture some outrage towards Ubuntu, and feel like a genius for using another distro; it would be silly but not completely irrational... unlike using Ubuntu Pro for that, the later is just witch hunting.

[-] zero_spelled_with_an_ecks@programming.dev 3 points 5 months ago

As a sysadmin that dealt with IBM "helping" CentOS into an early grave, I refuse to give canonical or any for-profit corporation the benefit of the doubt here. After seeing how many products start out free and move towards paid or ad supported models once they think they can get away with it, I doubt this is done out of goodwill, either.

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Don't need to. It's useful while free for people who wouldn't otherwise pay for it. If/when we get the rug pulled from under us, mothrrship Debian is right there.

[-] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

I’ll assume you’re genuinely unaware

I'm perfectly aware of what Ubuntu Pro is, and the difference between Ubuntu main and universe.

The current meme implies that Ubuntu/Canonical have actively disabled safety/security features in the form of withholding security updates, unless you pay for Ubuntu Pro subscription. The Ubuntu package support hasn’t changed with the introduction of Ubuntu Pro. The packages that were supported by Canonical prior to this are supported the same way today. The packages that were community supported prior to this are supported the same way today. Without Ununtu Pro.

If you think the meme implies that, then surely you must think that the message printed by Ubuntu's apt upgrade command in the screenshot implies that too, right?

One of the packages listed in this screenshot is libavcodec, which is required by things like VLC (which is in Ubuntu universe, which is enabled by default).

If you think it is perfectly fine for Canonical to do the work to patch that library and then withhold the security update from the vast majority of Ubuntu users who won't sign up for Ubuntu Pro... we'll have to agree to disagree.

[-] RegalPotoo@lemmy.world 42 points 5 months ago

Down vote away, I don't care, but they really aren't though.

Pretty big difference between buying a thing that stops working if you don't have an active subscription, and using an old LTS and being given the choice of paying for extended support or the free upgrade to the new LTS

[-] hedgehog@ttrpg.network 15 points 5 months ago

Pretty big difference between buying a thing that stops working if you don't have an active subscription, and using an old LTS and being given the choice of paying for extended support if you’re a corporation, signing up for a free “subscription” if you’re not, or the free upgrade to the new LTS

FTFY, it’s an even bigger difference when the extended support is free for end users.

[-] shrugal@lemm.ee 27 points 5 months ago

I'm no fan of Ubuntu, but maintaining an LTS release and backporting security updates is actual ongoing work. Most distros don't even provide an LTS release for that reason.

[-] XEAL@lemm.ee 25 points 5 months ago

Ubuntu Pro is free up to 5 machines

[-] SirDankbud@lemmy.ca 27 points 5 months ago

My update told me as much. OP's likely did too. But it is usually a lot harder to manufacture outrage when you have a full picture and manufacturing outrage is the best way to get exposure on social media.

[-] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 4 points 5 months ago

For now

[-] K0W4LSK1@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 5 months ago

Wow haven't tried Ubuntu in years wtf happened

[-] Pantherina@feddit.de 16 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Its universe, the community repo. Basically you can pay them to also supply you with community updates, a service. The official repos stay untouched.

People always want free software, but free ≠ free beer?

[-] K0W4LSK1@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 5 months ago

Oh that actually sounds cool haha thanks 👍

[-] BiggestBulb@kbin.run 11 points 5 months ago

If you happen to be new to Linux, do yourself a favor and start on Linux Mint.

There are no snaps, you can still install pretty much everything you can with Ubuntu, the Cinnamon Desktop is nice (better than Gnome in my opinion, but then again, I haven't used Gnome that much) and you don't have to deal with ads in the terminal. Mint is the distro most people should start on.

[-] cogitoprinciple@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago

This. Mint is one of my favourite distros and what I started with. I had tried Ubuntu, but this was the distro that made using Linux as a daily driver possible. Now I've moved on to Debian Stable. But Mint allowed me to get into Linux and get a good understanding of the basics.

[-] bbuez@lemmy.world 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Mint is the GOAT, I was a little sad to switch to PopOS, really wanted the tiling window manager. I would say either are a great start, but honestly mint was more stable

[-] ThermoToaster@exng.meme 10 points 5 months ago

They even, at some point, mocked their Reddit community there.

[-] Montagge@kbin.earth 5 points 5 months ago

Weird. Here I am sitting here with Ubuntu Pro and not paying a dime.

[-] Xeroxchasechase@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago

It's real?!

[-] astar26@ttrpg.network 7 points 5 months ago

Those are community maintained packages in the first place. Canonical offers extended security updates (plus after the 5 year LTS EOL) for a fee, with 5 machines for free for non-commercial uses.

Very legit IMO

[-] riodoro1@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Isn’t Ubuntu Pro just Debian?

[-] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 months ago

It isn't.

[-] massive_bereavement@kbin.social 2 points 5 months ago

Meh, how's this different from RH?

[-] Pantherina@feddit.de 7 points 5 months ago

Ubuntu is completely free lol. This is only about the community repo. Like if RHEL would also support EPEL which they dont

[-] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml -2 points 5 months ago

Meh, how’s this different from RH?

It took Canonical about four times as long (twenty years vs five) to start doing this.

Dissatisfaction with RedHat's introduction of RHN (in 2000) was arguably a significant factor contributing to Ubuntu's rapid growth when it was first released (in 2004).

[-] keefshape@lemmy.ca 2 points 5 months ago

I would go so far as to say it was THE key factor to Ubuntu's initial success in 2004ish.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 points 5 months ago

Meanwhile Red hat takes several weeks to patch on mission critical systems

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago

Theres a reason this is the distro all the corpos push and include with everything. I use arch btw.

[+] nodsocket@lemmy.world -13 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Ubuntu is officially malware.

Okay tbf this is meant for companies that need to meet specific requirements like government privacy regulations, which change every year and need to be actively maintained or else you get in legal trouble.

[-] cypherpunks@lemmy.ml -1 points 5 months ago

Okay tbf this is meant for companies that need to meet specific requirements like government privacy regulations, which change every year and need to be actively maintained or else you get in legal trouble.

Yeah you pretty much would only ever need to install these updates to libavcodec and imagemagick for regulatory compliance reasons, or maybe if you wanted to be able to safely load video or image files found on the internet without being subject to compromise by widely-available exploits for vulnerabilities that were published and fixed upstream last year.