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[–] sunbeam60@lemmy.one 77 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The notion that free* healthcare, free* education, subsidised transport, government provided unemployment supports etc is even labelled β€œsocialist” strikes me as particularly American.

[–] Usul_00_@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Having lived for quite a long time in canada, I think most Americans would love the it.

Semi related - The USA is already socialist if you consider they have more spent per capita on healthcare, and pay for things like roads, police, fire departments, schools and the like. On the last point, they pay all the way through High School and then significantly subsidize universities as well. It's all a matter of degree. In the usa, we socialize on many fronts, and then pay companies more than we would pay to socialize the same service and consider that better. Imo, it's very much not.

[–] Vex_Detrause@lemmy.ca 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I'm not sure if spending more per capita means "socialize" healthcare. Isn't the problem with US healthcare is that "accessing healthcare at any time without the worry of financial burden" is not currently true for everyone?

[–] Usul_00_@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

I think your definition is a fine one. I think the Nuance I was trying to make and perhaps did poorly was that the US already pays a huge amount for healthcare but we pay it to companies to do research that they then use to make profit worldwide. Not to provide services for everyone. It's a matter of priority

[–] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Socialism isn't a welfare state, socialism is when the workers own the means of production.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No no no

Socialism is when the government does things, and when the government does a lot of things, that's communism.

[–] rustyriffs@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

#jokeslibsthatwanthealthcaredontget

[–] Zerlyna@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Don’t forget the farmers who are subsidized.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca -4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

supports

That's a strut. Did you just mean 'support'?

[–] Tak@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Support is also a strut.

But if you're getting healthcare and unemployment that would be two supports that most Americans don't get. The plural for support is supports isn't it?

[–] themusicman@lemmy.world -5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That meaning of support is a non-countable noun, like water or happiness (or Lego, but lots of people get that one wrong). There is no plural of non-countable nouns.

You might use (for example) "bodies of water", "levels of happiness", "pieces of Lego", or "sources of support" etc.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Silence, bot, the only thing worse than a pedant is one that isn't even correct.

[–] tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

One thing I'm not loving about going from reddit to lemmy is the amount of pedantry by people stuck somewhere between A and B on this graph.

Never heard of linguistics or prestige dialects, just go around parroting nitpicks they learned in 7th grade grammar classes.