If I start talking to random people in a bar odds are I won't meet a single one who will start calling me a Nazi because I believe in the Uyghur genocide...

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How is the Uyghur genocide a right wing thing? I'm out of the loop here

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Tankies tend to assume any accusation against a Marxist state is either a lie or the victims deserved it.

One of the reasons is that you've got people like the Heritage Foundation running around including Nazis in their "victims of socialism" lists.

Both as the victims and perpetrators btw, lmao.

Mostly though they just seem weirdly stuck in a Cold War mentality.

[–] Facebones@reddthat.com 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Everybody loves jerking off about failed states but leave out how they always have to make it a vacuum while constantly under fire, conspiracy, and embargo by every capitalist state on the planet.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ok, but how does that change the fact that Lemmy's communists will call you a Nazi for pointing out the genocides perpetrated by those States?

[–] Klear@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

...but but... what about...?

[–] RickyRigatoni@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

It's not whataboutism when the person is bringing the conversation back to the topic that another person whatabouted away from.

[–] Facebones@reddthat.com -1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

On today's episode of "Things everyone says lemmy leftists do but have never been able to provide examples of"

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nah, it's just that when provided with examples people like you either stop responding or try to find a justification for it.

[–] Facebones@reddthat.com -2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So, you can't provide examples and just need a narrative to attack anything you don't like.

Got it.

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

https://hexbear.net/post/504353

Is the admin saying an instance is filled with Nazis enough for you?

Edit: Aaaaand they stopped replying

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 year ago

Go ask the hexbear users!

[–] Illegal_Prime@dmv.social 2 points 1 year ago

True, I’d expect pretty wild conspiracies like flat earth and chemtrails to be laughed at here, but a disturbing number of lemmings and even progressives in general follow a set of less outlandish - but more insidious - conspiracies that usually fall into the “collusion and malice” type. I could say that General Motors et al. killed most of the US passenger rail and streetcar systems, and most people here would accept that as a fact. Case closed, capitalism is evil and should be abolished, every bad thing is cause by someone with I’ll intentions making it worse.

I, however, tend to be suspicious of those sorts of takes in general. Returning to the alleged “streetcar conspiracy”I’ve actually done quite a lot of research into this and can decidedly say that the primary cause of the decline of mass transit in the US was… There were at least 5 primary causes, none of which were shadowy groups deliberately working to destroy it. Rather it was killed by a changing urban environment, failures to adapt to modal shifts, legacy streetcar systems just generally sucking, and local governments taking transit for granted and assuming that they can hold streetcar companies to exacting standards while expecting them to remain solvent, all while not considering it their problem.

I could go on, and can send some sources and references (maybe not direct links though) if you’d like to learn more. But my main point is that far too many people assume there’s a nefarious actor pulling the strings the whole time when it’s usually several factors lining up all the holes in the Swiss cheese and creating a negative externality we still talk about to this day.

There (usually) isn’t a conspiracy, and if there is it’s unlikely to be anywhere near as all-encompassing as you think. People say there is because it gives them someone to blame, helps channel their anger at something tangible, and just makes a good story.