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Even if this ban stays, it will only effect law abiding citizens.
Makes it so less magazines are put on the black market. Just like a total gun ban would dry up the black market. In US and Mexico.
3D printers: exist
10rnd AR-15 .458 SOCOM mags have entered the chat
Nobody gives a fuck what criminals and terrorists could hypothetically use, they care about what they are using, which in nearly 80% of mass shootings is a legal firearm.
It’s relevant to the question of what would happen in the event of a gun ban.
At this stage, anyone with sufficient desire to do so can manufacture an effective and reliable firearm using readily available tools at home, using no purpose built firearm components. Magazines are dead simple in comparison.
"Mass shooting" refers to any shooting where 3 or more people are injured, and it usually happens in areas with high unemployment. Kinda sounds like a class issue to me.
How'd that work out for the drug bans? Cause man I could buy so much weed in college (in an illegal state), and trust me I literally never asked.
And where do the criminals get their guns from?
The ATF.
Straw purchases are the main way, like 85% or more...so illegally...
Damn, sounds like gun laws don't work then. Better change them to increase background checks and waiting periods.
Yeah and what are you wanting to regulate 3d printers and 80% lowers while your at it? gonna regulate sheet metal to prevent people from making guns?
I don't need to, because nobody is using them for mass shootings. But sure, I will absolutely advocate laws regarding the illegal manufacturing of firearms are enforced. I'll also laugh when people blow their hands off.
Fortunately since 3D printed guns don't line the pockets of Republicans, lobbyists, sleazy PR companies and the people who simp for them, there should be no issue at all actually addressing the problem.
If that problem ever actually exists of course. Isn't it just fascinating that despite the entire world having access to 3D printers, they still don't have gun violence that's even remotely comparable to America? All of these comments saying
It's almost like "but 3D printers!" is just as bullshit as everything else that comes out of pro-gun groups mouths. 25 years of insisting it was doors or video games or rap music.
Ah, I see - you don't care about the dead children, but rather that firearms are used to kill children. That's really fucked up.
I'm not sure if you're aware or not but blue team has been decrying the evils and supposed impact of these things for multiple election cycles due to their inability to actually address that perceived problem.
I'd be interested in seeing you compare such countries by violence overall and then again compare them by available social support and safety nets.
It once more seems you only care that suffering involved a firearm rather than actually caring about people and their suffering.
Thoughts and prayers for whatever point you thought you had.
And "team red" takes $16 million a year from the gun lobby and are adamant the solutions just coincidentally align with what's most profitable.
Of course you would be, because you're looking for excuses to do nothing, especially excuses that might take decades to prove wrong.
But whatever "social support and safety nets" you find are still going to be paired with vastly better gun laws that try and balance social risk rather than protect profits.
You want a half solution that doesn't impact you, not an actual solution.
Ah, I see we're forgetting about Bloomberg and his profiteering off of sensationalism of violence.
Feel free to highlight any comment I've made where I suggest doing nothing.
Take all the time you need.
In point of fact, I quite explicitly argue for actual solutions.
Yeah who knows why he bothers with the abstraction when he can just take bribes directly from the gun lobby. Maybe he's secretly bankrolled by a shady lobby group representing school children and abused partners.
You're a representative of the pro-gun community, using their talking points to push their agenda, making you a representative of them. If that label upsets you, it sounds like a problem you should take up with them.
Did you even read your own link? They openly acknowledge that changes to gun need to be a key part of the solution since "curing everybody of violence forever" is 100 years away.
Accessing someone's past behaviour and restricting or denying them guns accordingly? Congratulations, you've invented red flag laws and background checks that actually check backgrounds, 25 years later than everyone else. Go forth and spread the word to your pro-gun brethren and try not to reflect on who could have been saved
I'm not sure I'd call it abstraction given it's literally his media business, but hey, whatever makes you feel better.
Oh, I see - generalizations are okay when they're your generalizations.
I'm not sure how you interpret an actual focus on actual problem solving as a pro-gun agenda - a rational individual would reflect and consider that when basic problem solving is given a demeaning label, it might be indicative of a bad opinion on the matter. Let me know when you get to that point.
And you're confused by this... how?
Ah, so two things we already have, excellent
We can then proceed to the rest of the preventative measures and actually improve some lives, eh?
3d printers and illegal markets
Every gun on the illegal markets was once a legal gun.
Work cited: crack pipe. You cant legally buy a glock switch, and there are plenty of exanples of glocks with switches on them (which usually come from china), and seeing as the ATF considers the switch themselves to be a machine gun, these are guns that were never legal, and yet theres an ungodly number of them on the streets
Abolish the ATF.
We're not talking about guns, we're talking about mags. Which are trivial to make.
not only this, but lets be honest here, it does absolutely nothing to reduce the lethality of firearms. Even if an active shooter abides it; most people who've spent a modicum of time practicing can drop and replace a magazine inside of a second or two.
Also, as Upgrayedd noted... you can drive a couple hours to arizona to get them. Or, just make your own mags. it's not hard.
I'm all for effective gun control laws... but this ain't it.
And that's why you're against all abortion bans right?
I am against all abortion bans but I don't see what one has to do with the other.
It was an attempted dunk based on the assumptive chain that you defended a stricken-down firearms restriction therefore are clearly conservative, therefore clearly push abortion bans.
It's if it's impossible to them that anyone outside the NRA can like firearms.
The NRA has been a trvesty for the firearms community. Also fuck em and fuck Reagan for banning open carry cause of the black panthers. Bunch of fucking cowardly welps.
I see, thanks for making that connection for me. To be clear, I'm not playing for either side. I'm just a realist. Not every issue or opinion has to be red or blue.
My point is that anyone can make a magazine or buy one from somebody who can. So a ban would be useless. The only people it would effect would be those who choose to obey.
For what it's worth, I think if everyone on the radical right were launched into the sun, the world would be a better place.
No worries at all, and agreed. It's part of why this is so incredibly frustrating - the sheer entrenched nature of this partisan-aligned wedge issue precludes any form of meaningful progress.
Correct, and entirely agreed. This is the nature of the flaw with most such restrictions - unless there's compelling evidence the tools used for a given crime were sourced by legal owners, further restricting legal owners does absolutely no good.
I would wholly-support a MAGA-ectomy.