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[โ€“] mojo@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Matrix is literally the best decentralized real time chat we have. I don't think you understand how the Matrix protocol at works, and I assume you are blindly repeating what you read online that XMPP must be better because it supposedly has less lines of code, though I'm sure you didn't check that either.

[โ€“] poVoq@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I hate to inform you that I know the insides of both pretty well and run both myself on my server and have evaluated the differences extensively ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

Oh and:

[โ€“] mojo@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

That's awesome, and I still know that you don't know what you're talking about. But damn you made me a soyjack, that definitely tells me you've actually looked into the technical differences.

[โ€“] ttmrichter@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Matrix is literally the best decentralized real time chat we have.

What an utterly depressing statement. Because Matrix is utter shit.

[โ€“] mojo@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Go ahead and elaborate on what problems the protocol has.

[โ€“] ttmrichter@lemmy.world -2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't give a shit about the "protocol". I give a shit about the end experience: the system, not a single component of it. (The fact that you're so narrowly defining the range of critique is very telling and noted, incidentally.)

I've given Matrix three tries now. Three times Element has shit its pants, lost all my keys, refused to recognize the backups I made using its own tools, and made me start over from scratch. It's a fucking shit system, no matter how good or bad its "protocol" is.

Come back when you've got a product that doesn't suck so hard it can suck bowling balls through garden hoses. (Well, no, don't come back. Matrix is on the permanent shitpile for me along with Emacs, Haskell, Internet Explorer and other such software fiascos of epic proportions.) But start pitching the product when you've got a product that isn't a festering pustule that periodically pops and spreads its grotesque fluids all over the place, not now when it's like a rusty chainsaw made without a kickback guard.

One of the first things that you'd need to do to make the system not suck matter out of galactic core black holes is to look over the "Fallacies of Distributed Computing" and make sure that you didn't interpret it as an instruction manual instead of a warning against them.

[โ€“] mojo@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not narrowly defined lol, you literally said Matrix so I asked about Matrix. XMPP is a protocol, so obviously I'm going to ask why you prefer one protocol over the other. It's like saying you hate the http protocol, but really you're actually talking about a specific browser, it makes no sense.

You not liking Element is an entirely different conversation. Which Matrix had a ton of full fledged clients. Element is like the Ubuntu of matrix clients.

[โ€“] ttmrichter@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

The other Matrix clients were worse.

The entire ecosystem is shit. Fix it if you want people who aren't dedicated fanbois to use it.