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[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml -1 points 5 days ago (2 children)

The fact the government lies about China, while China is still bad behind the scenes, can both be true.

This is just vague-posting unless you actually link some credible china-bad studies that aren't sourced from British or US state media.

[–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml 1 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

some credible china-bad studies that aren’t sourced from British or US state media.

University of Limpopo, South Africa, on China neocolonising Africa - https://www.jstor.org/stable/27159668. Is that credible enough for you?

If not, is there a source that you would call credible - and if it exists, what is it?

Note: I hope I don't come as aggressive, I was trying to be succinct.

[–] dessalines@lemmy.ml 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I can't read that as it's paywalled. Anyway here's a lot of links about this topic, several from African leaders and diplomats on the difference between Chinese trade and development in Africa and actual imperialism as practiced by western countries:

[–] ThirdConsul@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

It's not paywalled. I think you didn't even bother to click "read full article" or whatever the button name is. They might ask you to register witb a free account.

If you want to use other people opinions as an argument, I'm going to ask you for what you asked for - studies. Preferably published in journals, not essays by socials celebrities like Caitlin Johnstone, nor articles in Chinese newspapers, nor Reddit. And that's because a deluge of weak sources is worthless - that's how US propaganda works and enforces itself.

Extra points if the studies are not from China or it's close Allies, just so that you have exactly the same requirements as the ones you asked for.

Can be paywalled.

Edit: I highly recommend you read https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml -1 points 3 days ago

Edit: I highly recommend you read https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop

It's crazy how Wikipedia has becomes essentially the Holy Scripture of liberals.

[–] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 0 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Something like a one-party political system with dear respected leader, concentration camps, surveillance, social rating system, GFW?

Note how I don't say anything about propaganda from every crack. That's because western propaganda has successfully evolved in the conditions of outright censorship not being allowed. Like killing cockroaches in a building again and again you make them evolve for the poisons used in the past.

If you are going to pick the "all this is not credible" line, then don't bother. Also credible is a synonym for "believable", and nobody can make you believe things you don't want to believe.

[–] Thebigguy@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 days ago

The USA is a one party system in many ways so is the EU when it comes to imperialist and neoliberal policies every single party is on board doesn’t matter who you vote for.