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[–] otterpop@lemmy.world 9 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Do you have any sources on the claim that it wasn't a cross and was changed later for pagans? The scripture references "coming down" from the cross which to me would imply the one we typically think of.

Also from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impalement,

"I see crosses there, not just of one kind but made differently by different [fabricators]; some individuals suspended their victims with heads inverted toward the ground; some drove a stake (stipes) through their excretory organs/genitals; others stretched out their [victims'] arms on a patibulum [cross bar]; I see racks, I see lashes ... "

Sounds like Seneca, a figure from exactly this time period confirms the type of cross we think of.

[–] raltoid@lemmy.world 7 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

Do you have any sources on the claim that it wasn’t a cross and was changed later for pagans?

No they do not.

There are writings from around ~200 talking about how the letter T and Tau look like the execution cross. Around the same time where the word "σταυρός"(cross) appears in New Testament versions.

The change to the modern/lower case version did start to happen around the time of conversions and suppression of pagans began. But as far as I am aware there is no evidence that was the reason. Specially since it didn't really take off for a couple of hundred years, and became big with the crusades.

[–] otterpop@lemmy.world 4 points 18 hours ago

Another good piece of evidence I just thought of is the oldest known depiction of Jesus: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexamenos_graffito

It seems the claim might originate with Jehovah's Witnesses in modern times.