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In the context of VPNs for example. Some VPNs store and provide information about what sites you go to third parties. Third parties analyze it and figure out what adds to show you. Hmm... then let them show me those adds they want to show me. I do hate adds as a whole and use an add blocker, thus. But I couldn't care less what particular type of adds they show me, they are still adds.

Someone knows what sites I go, what then. If someone curiously inquired me on this type of information I'd tell them without giving a second thought. Incomparably larger amount of data I put out just by making comments and posts.

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[–] blargerer@kbin.social 31 points 9 months ago (3 children)

You are thinking way too small about what can be done with that amount of data on you. I'll give you an example. I once did some programming work for a website. The website got 'hacked' (An administrative admin had their password guessed because they weren't using good password habits). This website had poor security and with the admins password the 'hacker' was able to get a DB dump. Bad stuff. So me and another guy set out trying to identify who had done it. Via server logs we were pretty sure we had correctly tied the 'hacker' to a user of the site. By looking at their activity on the site, and what referral links they had followed to get to the site previous, we learned where they approximately lived and their first name. But we knew we needed more info than that, so we looked at his hobbies and figured out he liked pokemon quite a lot. We then created a 'what pokemon are you' quiz, asking mostly unimportant questions, but throwing in a couple we needed in order to be able to report him to his local authorities (IE their last name and some other info I can't remember off the top of my head). We then had this quiz get posted by an account not associated with the running of the site. the 'hacker' filled it out, and we reported him for breaking the law with our evidence to his local authorities.

So to reiterate, 2 idiots with no background in data science and like 16 hour between us, were able to manipulate an arbitrary guy into doing what we wanted because of a relatively small amount of data. Now Imagine what people dedicating their lives to this stuff can do to you.

[–] Elevator7009@kbin.cafe 4 points 9 months ago

I probably should care about what big companies are doing with my data, but honestly I feel I’ll just be one more person in a group of a million. Companies won’t care.

What I’m scared of is stuff like the example above. A dedicated person trying to connect my online identity to my real-life one.

[–] Lowered_lifted@beehaw.org 2 points 9 months ago (1 children)

LMAO they really answered one of those password reset answer phishing ass quizzes? Lucky for you they were not sending their best.

[–] blargerer@kbin.social 1 points 9 months ago

Although they were the target, they were far from the only person to fill it out. Context can make people drop their guards. But yes, not some criminal mastermind. Of course, again, I'm some idiot programmer not a genius forensic computer detective.

[–] FinallyDebunked@slrpnk.net -4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

Maybe I lack foreseeing ability but they can... guess what university I study in, what meds I take, the government could know much more if they commit themselves.

Some guy mentioned insurance, that would probably make a point, but I live in a country we don't have it

[–] blargerer@kbin.social 5 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Although my anecdote ended with additional data collection, the scary part is the manipulation of action. You might think that, as an example, they see you browsing a pokemon website and therefore show you more pokemon ads, something that coule be mutually beneficial. What you should be worried about, is something like based on your browsing behaviour they figure out how to manipulate your political action, or figure out your state of mental well-being and manipulate it. There is especially horror cases here when this is algorithm driven instead of being pushed by humans. One could imagine ,and I want to preface this by saying I'm not aware of this ever having happened, a machine learning algorithm relating signs of some mental illnesses with an uptick in firearm sales, and then increasing advertising of firearms to those people. You could imagine this driving things like an increased suicide rate.

[–] FinallyDebunked@slrpnk.net 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

There are many more other outlets for propaganda. Their effectiveness are hard to measure as well as the effectiveness of ads. Figuring out how to manipulate is philosophically impossible. How would you train an AI if you don't know if your actions led to success or not. Mental conditions are themselves poorly understood and defined. And we only have superficial web browsing data at our disposal.