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When you say, "However what you’re hypothesizing cannot exist, due to the nature of a diffusion model. The source that the images are generated from, all of that was stolen in 2021. It was illegally scraped.", are you referring to Laion-5B?
And others yes. It really depends on where you look and who you ask. I think Laion was the beginning of the end but some people say it was Google in 2010 or so
https://www.adweek.com/lostremote/google-set-to-open-image-recognition-technology-via-apis/
Some go even earlier. But I think wholesale theft started around 2020-2021 at scale. Arxiv below for reference.
https://arxiv.org/abs/2210.08402
Also I really do apologize for my tone earlier. I've given all of the beneficial doubt I can really.
Yeah, I'm sorry but none of this seems to add up. I read the book you linked, the entire thing, and I didn't really learn anything new from it. In my own searches I've found a number of competing image generation systems, most of them just use Stable Diffusion - including Horde, which makes sense as it is open-source and readily available. But others have their own solutions, and some even use their own datasets. I've also done other searches and found a variety of instructions on how people can put together their own datasets. Between all of the options, it seems pretty clear to me that even now it is entirely possible for people to use these AI tools without ever needing to come into any contact with "stolen" (ie., copyright infringed - it's not theft) artwork.
But I'm not going to link to any of these things because I don't want to endorse or promote anything without taking sufficient time to be really sure that they are in fact ethical, which honestly I'm probably not going to do at least for the time being, since I have no need to use any of these anyway. But yeah, ethical ai art is entirely possible, no copyright ever needs to be infringed, and this is something anyone can do today if they're inclined to make the searches and assemble free source images themselves.