Vs code has no integrated environment though, it's just a text editor that supports plugins, you still need to install python or node or .net or Java or gcc, etc.

As far as vim requiring keyboard commands, that's really only the case if you leave mouse mode off

set mouse=a

And of course, to muddy the water further, we have tools like https://helix-editor.com/ which, more closely approximate vs code, while happening to live in a terminal.

I maintain that in order to qualify as an IDE and not a glorified text editor, you must be able to, out of the box, without external dependencies, run and build the code it was built for (idea/visual studio) otherwise it's not very integrated, and I don't think you need to have nice graphics for that qualification.

[–] null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Guy this is just semantics.

If you want to uphold a specific definition of what constitutes an IDE that's fine, but what does it matter if others consider plugins to be integration.

[–] Takumidesh@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago

It's fun to talk about.

[–] d00ery@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Interesting, I didn't know that about VSCode.I've used it briefly and I must have always installed some default plugins to make it work with python!

The only query I'd have on that definition of IDE is that they all require an external compiler or JIT interpreter to execute code, because the versions of the compilers changes so frequently it'd be crazy to release an 'all included' IDE. (The old MS Visual Basic is an example of 'all included')

But yeah, pycharm or phpstorm are "ready to run" bar the code compiler or interpreter, I don't have to open a terminal or something to run code I've written.