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Moscow comes under 'massive' drone attack leaving civilians killed and three injured
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Every time Ukraine suffers a big military loss, they start doing massive attacks on civilians to distract from that. https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2025/03/11/retreat-ukrainian-brigades-appear-to-be-leaving-kursk/
edit: I guess basic facts of the situation makes people who've been guzzling propaganda for the past three years very upset
Regardless of the truth of that statement, do you contradict the many, many Russian drone and missile attacks against Ukrainian civilian targets? I'm curious if the condemnation for violence against non-combatants goes both ways.
Russia does hit civilian targets as well, however the difference is that Ukraine does this intentionally and systemically. Meanwhile, Ukraine is also known to use civilians as human shields for its army. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/04/ukraine-civilians-army-bases-amnesty-russia-war
The human shield argument has never really passed the smell test for me, especially when used as condemnation against Palestinians. It's very difficult to defend against the invasion of a civilian area without occupying said civilian area. Existing military infrastructure typically doesn't exist at the scale a frontline needs in invaded territory. Strikes targeted specifically against civilians are obviously unacceptable and immoral regardless of perpetrator.
The AFU is an actual army operated by the regime in Ukraine, comparing this to Palestinian resistance is the height of absurdity. There actual conventions prohibiting armies from using civilians as human shields, and if you don't understand why these conventions exist then I really d on't know what else to tell you here.
I'm not trying to argue that it's okay. I'm not a military expert or analyst. However, people that are those things don't make this argument and so I'm not willing to unless I'm provided evidence of a viable alternative. A better example might be the Ba'athist defense of Iraq during the unjustified 2003 invasion (not that the Ba'athist regime wasn't a nightmare for the Iraqi people, it just wasn't the US's place to involve themselves on false pretenses). Iraqi cities are being invaded, they simply don't have the military infrastructure to have their forces entirely separate from civilian targets, and so civilians end up getting hurt by airstrikes and artillery because of their proximity to military targets. Of course, party extremists also used extreme violence to prevent civilian retreat, but I've seen no evidence of this in Ukraine. Convention is all well and good until said conventions would require surrendering territory to avoid conflict in civilian areas. Governments will take any action they deem necessary to survive a conflict. Both parties in a conflict can be immoral.
I'm not aware of any credible experts making this argument, nor does this argument make any sense under even minimal scrutiny. The reality is that a dictatorial regime in Ukraine that cancelled elections and banned opposition parties along with independent media, is holding the country hostage.
Aside from all the videos of people being grabbed off the street and being gang pressed into fighting you mean. It's so bad that even western media is reporting on it https://www.irishtimes.com/world/europe/2023/12/17/people-snatchers-ukraines-army-recruiters-use-harsh-tactics-to-fill-ranks-for-war-against-russia/
Both parties can be immoral, except in this particular case it's very clear that western backed fascist regime is the only immoral party.
Right this conversation isn't worth having lol
I think it's more the selective emphasis than the 'basic facts'.
Something tells me you've never said that about people cherrypicking information that's beneficial to Ukraine.
if you were capable of thinking you wouldn't be making these vapid comments here
Please do little fash.
Every time Russia suffers a big military loss, they start doing massive attacks on civilians to distract from that.
FTFY
Uh-huh, Russia blows up its own civilian populations just like it blows up its own gas pipelines.
Deeply unserious cope.
I'm trying my best to follow but where did "its own" come from here?
The civilian population under discussion is Russia’s own. That’s what this post is about.
You don't understand the lib mindset, they're always talking about their monster nazi rapist orc vs the good guys scenario. The post is just an excuse to bring out the script.
Last I checked it's AFU that's getting routed in Kursk. Of course, nobody should expect people who weren't able to engage with the facts for the past three years to start doing that now.
You mean... both of them do it?
Wow, the power of truth!
More correct is just “Russia is attacking civilians”
If Ukraine ran out of civilians they would start attacking civilians in another country
Sometimes I wonder how the fuck we as the world have been getting all of our shit stolen by people this delusional.
You're a fucking hair away from being a nazi ragging on about how immigrants are gonna come in and assault everybody and then move elsewhere when they're done, look in the mirror a little jfc. Hell, you're already using their asiatic horde script.
There is a comedic lack of self awareness or a comedic lack of historical knowledge in your comment
Historical knowledge like this?
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Or this?
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Or this?
Somebody in here does have a lack of self awareness, but it's tragic more than it is funny. I'm past seeing the fun in yet another westerner frothing at the mouth.
Do illuminate me though, I'm sure such a brash and confident attitude can only come from ~~white mediocrity~~ reading a lot of history and political theory books and not just, like, vibes and half remembered headlines.
Imperialism doesn’t just end at one country it continues. Look at Occupied China, their 1930 border was a lot smaller than their 1949 border, and they added Tibet. In recent history they added HK and are looking towards Taiwan
You know it’s not about liberating Ukrainians because Russia hasn’t returned any land, if you are going to say that’s because Ukraine is still evil then why aren’t the liberated lands independent of both Russia and Ukraine?
If you think Ukraine is the aggressor in this then how much ground combat has happened in Russia? I’m sure your unbiased/non-western sources are full of battles taking place around Moscow and Saint Petersburg
🤡 Occupied by whom, other than the Chinese people themselves? You know that Chiang Kai-shek was a fascist who the peasantry chased off the mainland and exiled to an island, right? The only reason they didn’t Luigi him is the US intervened, to protect a fascist.
I’m pretty sure virtually all of the Tibetan people are happy to no longer be suffering under theocratic feudalism. Happy to no longer be illiterate serfs and slaves, suffering depredation under a god-king. I doubt many of them are sad that CIA asset Dalai “suck my tongue” Lama is in exile.
Because the UK’s 99 year lease to subjugate Hong Kong ended, yes. A lease which had been forced upon Imperial China at gunpoint during the century of humiliation. Hong Kong reintegration after the lease expired was a foregone conclusion.
I don’t know where you’re going with this straw man. No one claiming that Russia didn’t invade Ukraine.
well I recommend you learn about the Chinese civil war, that will clear up your misunderstandings
And
So you can acknowledge Russia is imperialist so you must know my original post was correct
no u. You look it up. Stop pretending to be an erudite student of history when you’ve already made a clown of yourself. You don’t even have a Wikipedia-level understanding of these things.
Not every invasion is an imperialist invasion. I will give you this though: If Russia could be imperialist, it would be. But since it presently can’t be, it presently isn’t[1].