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[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 37 points 2 days ago (2 children)

303 natives were convicted and sentenced to death following the Dakota War of 1862. Lincoln actually commuted the sentences of 264 of those natives, allowing the convictions to stand only for those he believed personally engaged in the murder of innocent women and children.

Therefore, the last one is deliberately and intentionally misleading.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The Dakota War came out of a strategic starvation campaign imposed by the Union Army over Sioux Territory. The original tribes had been forced off the productive soil around the Minnesota River and displaced into barren wasteland. Subsequent crop failure and long winter made trading for foodstuffs from their home territories the only means of survival. And the settlers took maximum advantage, deliberately scamming and price gouging the Sioux for the remains of their family wealth. This, after a series of treaties had been casually violated from administration to administration.

The war was quite literally a fight for survival by the Sioux. Lincoln's largess in hanging only the young men directly involved in the raid did nothing to prevent the Sioux population from continuing its rapid decline, as the surviving elders were left to starve to death in the wilderness and the children were forced into Christian schools notorious for brutalizing and killing the kidnapped youths.

[–] beejboytyson@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

OK, but america had already been established. You have to ask who were the groups that pushed those policies. AoC is part of the machine that invades countries doesn't mean she advocates for it.

Something stuck out to me in your response and that's the religious aspect of the oppression.

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago (3 children)

He didn't kill ALL the innocent, whose land he stole and whose relatives he murdered. Only those that dated fight back.

Yeah, sounds like Trump.

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Bro he literally freed the slaves.

[–] MJKee9@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Instead of actually working towards something better, let's just spend our time arguing over things we can't change. /S

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

They still have slaves. They are just in prison. That's my point.

[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 day ago

the constitution even condones it. Fucked. Prisoners get paid like 70c an hour or some shit.

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's still far from as bad.

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Oh okay. I didn't realize "a little" slavery is okay. As a treat if your white I guess.

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

What. Are you genuinely fucking with me or do you think enslaving a third of the population is the same level of bad as prison labor.

Do you straight up think there's no difference between before and after the civil war.

[–] Randomgal@lemmy.ca 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

No, I don't think any slavery is okay at all. Do you?

[–] Fredthefishlord@lemmy.blahaj.zone -1 points 13 hours ago

No. But I don't think theft and murder are ok, but I don't think they're the same level of bad.