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You can absolutely want peace and even agree to concessions to Russia to reach a sustainable peace, but this point is absolutely valid: there must be security guarantees, otherwise Putin will just use the armistice to rebuild its strength and attack again.
Oh, absolutely. We want peace more than anyone else, but giving putin a chance to regroup, pull more support together and attack again is not peace, it's surrender
That's generally what happens when, you know, you're losing a war.
Why surrender and let the invader murder with impunity, when you can still make him fight for every inch.
thats where we're at. Thats been the score since Bucha. Because Ukraine resisted, both sides hate each other like Israel and Palestine now. every time Russia gets into a city, they rape and pillage, murder civilians on the street, torture and castrate POWs before murdering them, and flatten cities to the ground.
you dont surrender to that. you fight to the death. you have no choice.
Oh. And after I went to trouble of typing all that big wall of text in response to your other comment, giving you the benefit of the doubt of arguing in good faith.
Like all the guarantees before it, trusting the scorpion will only get the frog drowned.
As a disgusted American.... SLAVA UKRAINE!
I'm sorry my country is acting so poorly
Security guarantees are nice but only if there believable. If the last 3 years have shown anything it's that the west will not go to all out war with Russia over Ukraine. It may make putin more hesitant but if he calls our bluff a piece of paper isn't going to change the fact that Americans and western Europeans aren't willing to die for Ukraine.
There are already were security guarantees, and then the US and their puppet in Ukraine violated their agreements.