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From Spain here, when we want to speak about USA people we use the term "yankee" or "gringo" rather than "american" cause our americans arent from USA, that terms are correct or mean other things?

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[–] Alice@beehaw.org 7 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Not too sure about gringo but I know yankee is correct, I hear that one a lot from folks I know in the UK.

There's some weird linguistic drift where in the southern US, we call northerners yankees, even though in the rest of the world we're all yankees. Now I'm curious how that started.

[–] ALoafOfBread@lemmy.ml 6 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

That Southern US usage dates back to at least the US civil war in the 1860s.

But yankee was used to refer to at least some people in what is now the US as early as the 1660s.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yankee

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 2 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I dunno how true it is, but I've heard it gets even more specific once you're in the north. I shared a map in another comment detailing the different meanings of it.

As for the etymology, apparently it goes back to Dutch settlers of New Netherlands, and may be connected to the name Janneke. It seems to have gone from being used by English settlers to Dutch settlers to being used in precisely the reverse at some point, and has at times meant either someone of English descent, of early Protestant descent, or other things.

It was used more generally by outsiders to refer to Americans as far back as the Revolutionary War (the song Yankee Doodle Dandy was originally making fun of Americans—macaroni being a sophisticated style of dress), so its history being used in that way actually predates the Civil War associations that I think many Americans would give it today.

So yeah, it really does have a fascinating linguistic history.

Also, weird…this is the second time in as many days I've had cause to look up Yankee Doodle Dandy.

[–] Akasazh@feddit.nl 3 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

As a Dutchie, I've heard it being an contraction of the names Jan and Kees, both are common names in Dutch

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 1 points 9 hours ago

Yeah, that was another one of the theories. Linguists seem pretty sure it has something to do with Dutch, but are in disagreement over exactly how it came to be. (The "Janneke" example I gave above being, according to what I read, a diminutive form of Jan.)