good luck having women work with you though, i'm sure they'll love how you downplay their experiences with sexual violence because "not all men are bad"

[–] houstoneulers@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

No, I get your argument. It doesn't prove what you think. Plain and simple.

You cant make a comparative argument and claim it's a population inference b/c the comparison could either be devoid of any scale/sampling consideration and/or the comparative bar could be set so low that it's misleading. Both are well known issues in statistical analysis as well as human biases that are well documented.

But sure, go ahead and keep believing what you will. It'll only negatively affect you. Why? B/c most ppl don't like being hypocrites, and to behave like you is super hypocritical as well as pretty blind.

[–] _lunar@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

the FBI crime statistics were good enough for you a couple replies ago, but now you're concerned about biases? why does this only now fail to meet your criteria? why should the burden now be on me to prove the authenticity of the source you told me to find? i have more sources that all suggest the same disparity of violent crime between women and men if you have good reason to believe these particular statistics are misleading, but do you?

[–] houstoneulers@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Yes, b/c the stats I'm talking about (the percentage of men that are actual criminals) actually prove my point.

You used a comparison between two groups as supporting argumentation for a population inference. It's a nonsequitur fallacy. I believe you that men are more often the perp, but that doesn't mean all men are murderers or violent in any other way. That's what someone is implying when they say things like "too bad men are murderers tho". There's literally no qualifier to that...it specifically aims at men.

Enjoy your night.

[–] _lunar@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (3 children)

aaaand we're back to "not all men" again

for fuck's sake you stupid ass, nobody is saying it's all men. the point is that violent crime toward women predominantly comes from men, and happens enough that women must live in fear because they are likely to have a violent encounter with men. saying men are murderers is not the same as saying all men are murderers. there's a reason the word "all" is used and isn't used. it is a fact that women have to be afraid of violence from men and men specifically. that is why she says "too bad men are murderers" because men are the ones that are statistically likely to take her life (among other things) when she's out alone. she did not say "all men are murderers" because that's a given that doesn't need to be clarified to anyone except for incel pricks like you arguing in bad faith.

you aren't even capable of having this discussion because you're fixated on one fundamentally flawed strawman argument that refutes nothing being said. have the night you deserve.

[–] FelixCress@lemmy.world 0 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

women must live in fear because they are likely to have a violent encounter with men

You are an absolute fool.

[–] _lunar@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 hour ago

come back when you're older

[–] houstoneulers@lemmy.world 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

How is it strawman? I straight up said i believe you in what you're saying. I didn't misinterpret your stat.

I said the conclusion you're defending is flawed based on the supporting evidence.

[–] _lunar@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

because nobody at any point in history has ever fucking said "all men are [insert negative thing men are statistically more likely to do than anyone else here]" that was never my conclusion, that was never the implication of the original post, and you know it.

MRA astroturfers make such misrepresentations of our points not because they believe them but because they know other(usually impressionable and young) men will feel attacked if our arguments are construed as an attack on them personally even though they clearly aren't. i've become hostile with you because it's become clear that's what you're doing. you're a propagandist for the far right whether you realize it or not and you should fuck right off.

[–] houstoneulers@lemmy.world 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

No misreprensentation here. Those are all valid criticisms.

Also, the image literally says "too bad men are murderers tho". That's about as broad stroked as it gets.

This is hilarious. If you think you have it right, by all means keep at it. But when you finally realize what i'm saying, I have feeling you're going to feel pretty embarrassed by how long it took you to get there.

[–] _lunar@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 hours ago

"This is hilarious. If you think you have it right, by all means keep at it. But when you finally realize what i’m saying, I have feeling you’re going to feel pretty embarrassed by how long it took you to get there." likewise, assuming you actually believe what it is you're saying and you aren't just some dork from 4chan trying to recruit fellow incels.

men are murderers of women whether you like it or not. that doesn't and has never meant all men, but enough of them do it that all women have the be afraid and as such the sentiment rings true. she's not going to be afraid of women murdering her because not only is it a statistical improbability by a considerable margin, where on a personal level she's unlikely to have ever heard of or witnessed extreme violence from other women, but most women would have a story to tell you about men.

she has reason to be afraid of men. she has reason to generalize because even if it isn't the majority, the number is great enough that any strange man could be a potential predator to her. and none of that fear is unfounded. men are socialized under patriarchy that encourages violent rage and discourages healthy expression of emotion. it causes the statistics. it causes the fear women rightfully and regrettably must have.

men are specified and the distinction is made not because she thinks all men are murderers, but because if someone were to harm her (and the chances of that are already way too high), it's almost certainly going to be a man, not a woman. but, i refuse to believe you're thick enough not to understand this. quit bullshitting.