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Why does China always get these kind of comments. I’m from the UK and I have seen my country and the USA do more to destabilise the world than China ever does?
Sure china is fucked if you live there and they have too much power with the manufacturing, but I’m genuinely curious as to why Reddit and Lemmy really like to shit ok china when we most likely live in countries with just as dubious morals.
China is the face of automated spying. Particularly on their citizens and as visibly as they possibly can. Drones that track people seem relevant to China as a result. You can’t announce your countrywide spy network with a prideful voice year after year and expect not to be turned into a caricature.
Dude the CIA and GCHQ were found to be spying on their own citizens too.
Like shit I get it china bad but also we are bad too. It’s insane all the posts of avoid Chinese tech as they spy, but it’s cool to buy this American tech as the cia are privacy advocates just like apple. Ffs.
Glass houses and stones is all I’m saying.
CIA hasn’t disappeared me for calling Biden a cuckling bitch yet, but maybe next week. Try asking about the wrong anniversary in China. It’s really not comparable.
Maybe not but the cia have definitely renditioned people during the war on terror.
The CIA have certainly destabilised more governments that any other organisation I can think of.
I’ve said in another comment that yes what goes on it chinas bordered is fucked up and should be condemned. What I’m talking about is all the hate about the stuff outside it’s borders when to my stupid Brian they don’t do too much.
What is it with you people that are quick to criticise other places but will not take criticism of their own country.
To be abundantly clear, I am not trying to defend China at all, fuck them and their treatment of Uyghurs and citizens in general etc. I am merely trying to find out why China is in vogue, why not NK, Russia, Syria, Sri Lanka etc.
I feel like I have to repeat myself here, you can’t announce your countrywide spy network with pride year after year and expect not to be turned into a caricature. Every country has stereotypes, some true and others not. China’s biggest is spying and its second is disappearing dissidents. Other countries are less known for it, and I will reiterate, because they do not constantly announce it to a billion citizens.
You’re right honestly on the whole stereotypes thing and I do think I just got up today in a more pessimistic mood and made these comments.
Scale.
Yeah nobody is hating on Russia.... 😂🤣
A hint could be that in one of those countries, you may very well disappear if your voice is opposed to that of the regime.
Plenty of outspoken state critics have had the CIA's highest reward for investigative journalism administered cranially.
Yes in that country and often with act of rendition.
Again, what are they doing on a global scale? Selfish or not m, what goes on in China has little effect on me, but when countries like mine and the USA invade counties under false pretences and people then set off bombs in my country then that does effect me.
All I’m saying is we seem to throw a lot of stones from inside our glass houses.
that's all it is, projection from regular citizens who have bound their nationality to their identity and can't help but sling shit at others in a defensive reflex, and distraction by those in power pushing that nationalism (and other division) to keep us focused on an "enemy" that isn't them.
And to be clear before I get called a tankie - fuck China, it's state run capitalism, not communism, and they definitely are responsible for a lot of shit, but so are almost all nations, and maybe people should be looking to hold their own governments accountable (or even better, to abolishing the systems that all these governments serve and rely on) before they start pointing fingers at others.
A random worker in the UK has more in common with a random worker in China, than either have with an obscenely wealthy person of their own nationality - workers of the world unite!
China is actively engaged in ethnic cleansing and/or genocide right now (eg the uyghurs). Those things are not so popular in the west, at least not in an actively state sponsored way.
From the article:
And?
You don’t believe that the USA and other counties are working on the same thing?
You don’t think there might be articles in China right now about the CIA and there drone swarms?
If I recall the USA literally murders people with drones and a certain level of collateral damage is acceptable. Or that we dropped two nukes on a country as a flex to Russia.
We littered Laos with enough bombs that people still die today.
All I am saying is we should maybe throw less stones from our glass houses.
On a video where China demonstrates its automated human tracking capabilities, you want people to discuss other countries' tracking?
What's your motivation for this whataboutism?
Maybe trying to get more social credits
UK is pretty far from perfect but to suggest we have “just as dubious morals” as China is categorically wrong.
The first actual response with the actual crimes that china commits.
I guess it depends on current morals or the uk of the past. After all we did colonise half the world.
Currently we have some pretty draconian views and removal of a lot of rights. Plus the way the government thinks about ex-pats (sorry I meant immigrants, ex-pat is when we go elsewhere). We invaded Iraq under false pretences.
I just don’t see how we are so hypercritical of one country and any view that questions it is usually (not here,today) condemned as a plant, shill, or Winnie the Pooh himself.
Only if you have a wilfully short memory and/or are wilfully ignorant of the atrocities that came with far reaching British imperialism (never mind completely ignoring the news, we have camps, hundreds of asylum seeking children disappearing, disabled people being quietly killed off, trans people having their rights removed and so on and so forth never mind the "run of the mill" systemic racism sexism queerphobia ableism classism and so on, and pretending these aren't all active stages of fascism is helping normalise it)
With the internet at your fingertips there is no excuse:
https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/british-transatlantic-slave-trade-records/
https://historyindoors.co.uk/britains-dark-past-the-atrocities-of-the-british-empire-and-its-legacy-today/
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/worst-atrocities-british-empire-amritsar-boer-war-concentration-camp-mau-mau-a6821756.html
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/04/04/the-british-empire-was-much-worse-than-you-realize-caroline-elkinss-legacy-of-violence
I mean, in this case it was due to the context of the article.