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It's a harmful activity that's about to go extinct. Almost all smokers started because it's "cool", and now it's no cooler for anyone.
You are detached. Its still cool for many groups of adolescents, at least here in Germany. Can't comprehend it, but it's real.
Probably just an American. It's not cool to smoke here any more it's cool to rip a fat vape. The amount of smokers has gone down but the amount of nicotine users is probably relatively unchanged.
Smoking went into decline long before vaping started to really take off in the US.
I dunno about Germany, if that's what you meant.
You're not wrong but the decline sharply excellerated after vaping took off. All the information is public.
I don't smoke or vape for the record I Just believe in harm reduction for those who use drugs.
I mean it's only going extinct because people are vaping instead, which is definitely healthier than smoking cigarettes but the nicotine addicts are still out there.
The judgement on vaping is still out. It's not been around for long enough to know what health effects it'll have in the long-term, but since you're still inhaling things your lungs just aren't made to inhale I expect that it will have a negative impact on health.
It's been around for almost 20 years (first ecig came out in 2006) countless studies have been done that show it is safer then smoking. Your post is deceptive.
Is it? Because if you thought I meant "it's better to just smoke" then you've misinterpreted me, I meant "neither is a good idea". If that was ambiguous then I apologise.
I didnt take it as you saying its better to smoke i took it as you saying vaping is just as bad for your health as smoking which it is not.
Vaping is less harmful to your health than smoking. Its not an opinion. If you cant understand that no one can help you. So therefore, if you would use your brain for a minute here, than if you smoke cigarettes, and switch to vaping, that you are doing less harm to your body. Pretty simple idea... its actually a thing already, Its called "harm reduction". Google it.
"Our advice on ecigarettes remains unchanged β vaping isn't completely risk-free but is far less harmful than smoking tobacco. If you've switched to vaping and are finding it helpful to stop you smoking, and are not suffering any adverse effects, then carry on, don't go back to smoking. Oct 25, 2019", The Royal College of Physicians.
Google "royal college of physicians vaping study" for the full study.
Obviously if you dont smoke or vape dont start but if you smoke you should seriously consider switching to vaping if you cant quit entirely.
We're not talking about 40-somethings who can't get off of cigarettes, we're talking about teenagers who are starting to smoke/vape because they think it's cool.
And your attitude really could use some improvement, you're coming across as a colossal, condescending dick.
Safer than smoking does not mean safe. And the tobacco industry has always published misleading studies.
Show me where I said it was safe?
I never said safe I said safer than smoking smart guy. Which it is.
Not really. It's not 100% yes, but it's a pretty safe bet that it's less harmful (as in: still bad bad but less). The reason that health advisory boards are hesitant to say that too loud it's by no means clear that the increase of vaping is going to help society as a whole. Because vaping is unhealthy in its own but also because the addiction to nicotine that comes with it may end up turning people into smokers.
Source:
https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/about-e-cigarettes.html
In geological terms, sure. But for humans the century or so that it will take is quite long.
All smokers die eventually, but they'll reproduce before this happens. I won't count on extinction.