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[–] Potatar@lemmy.world 10 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (2 children)

What if we called the original people Americans, and the newcomers immigrant Americans?

Clarity: Native American -> American

American -> Immigrant American

[–] SparrowRanjitScaur@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

And due to the transitive property of humans, if we follow this through to its logical conclusion then native Americans are immigrant Americans too

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

Which is why "indigenous" is the best word in my opinion. Not just for the indigenous Americans, but for indigenous people the world over. It's generally understood to mean "pre-colonial."

Edit: The only exception I can think of is that the Vikings settled Greenland before the Thule (who became the Greenland Inuit), but Danes are not considered indigenous and Inuit are. Maybe because the Vikings that settled there all left or died out and also maybe because the Vikings and the Thule settled different parts of Greenland and had very little contact with each other even when they could clearly see each other across a fjord. The very Christian Vikings of that era were probably quite reluctant to interact with people they saw as heathens.

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 6 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

All life on land is an immigrant is it not?

[–] Potatar@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

Not really. Those are human made concepts, so you must start from the inception of the concept of immigration. Good luck finding the exact date, since it predates written language :/

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago

Well since dates are human concepts as well we can just state it is immigration date 00/00/0000. Are the months or days first? That's up to you, haha. You make a good point, but you understand what I mean. If we consider immigration only being the integration into another state permanently then we would have to say we had mostly open immigration into the U.S. until the later parts of the 1800s. The first 99 years there were no real immigration laws here. (So roughly 40% of our history had no immigration restrictions for the most part)