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Sorry I am not aware of the incident, do you mind elaborate? Thank you.
Thread and receipts here: https://mastodon.art/@welshpixie/113822469270748843
Dngwehs - dingua - lingua - linguaticum - language (fr) - langage - language
Prihos - pro-prijos - ad-proprio - approprio - appropriatio - appropriation
Histi - wesana - isti - ist - is
Bhel - blno - bulo - boli - bula - bole - bull
Skeyd - skitiz - skiti - scite - schit - shit
Since I'm of Proto-Indo-European descent, y'all need to stop that right now! 🙄
"Used AAVE as slang" is gonna get ya cancelled now? Lol, this is absurd, if those are the reasons, using them you can cancel 80% of young folk, y'all are crazy
This is kinda sad tho, that while racism and real bigots exists, y'all waste your time cancelling people for using "y'all"
Anyone simply hanging around people who speak a certain way is in danger of "cultural appropriation" I guess, since most people will subconsciously adopt the way the people around them speak.
I'm gen Z, pretty much all Zoomers I chat with use slang (and part of it comes from AAVE, this is just how slang develops, it often comes from marginalized groups), I can't believe some people actually think this is enough to cancel someone for
If a person would write it somewhere other than Fedi, people would probably just assume that you're joking or making fun of a term cultural appropriation, but oh well
I'm well aware that 'Gen Z' took something that wasn't theirs, changed its meaning and used it to look 'cool' and gate-keep people from using the language they didn't make. Whilst the people who literally created such language and other cultural aspects are laughed at and treated like shit.
So, no, it's not as you say about 'language evolving' nor picking up things from hanging out with such folks, it's literally about privilege, thinking they are entitled to everything, just like most white people.
Why the focus on white people? What are non-black, non-white people supposed to take away from this?
And if we're just picking up language from others around us, we can acknowledge that pretty much every word, every phrase, every syntactical or grammatical construct we use, we learned by observing others. And we don't always have the ability to specifically attribute sources for where we learned what, so trying to gatekeep who can and can't use particular phrases or words is going to be prone to errors. And ultimately futile.
This is a FOSS-focused community. The core idea here is that publishing and sharing ideas releases it out to the world, where the creator no longer controls who may use it, or how they may use it.
That's why your position on who can or can't use certain types of language seems so foreign. It's directly contradicting some of the core values that this community is organized around.
I don't see a point in discussing this topic, I feel like I'm being trolled, I hope you will have a nice rest of your day!
So I guess the opinions of the people who made the language and have to suffer every day by being ridiculed for using it and other aspects of their culture whilst those that have privilege enough to not face that kind of discrimination can look 'cool' and use it to profit, doesn't matter.
Okay.
Is AAVE = "African American Vernacular English"? That's the only thing I can think that it would be.
Of note here, AAVE is an outdated term. AAE - African American English (still a little outdated) or AAL - African American Language (the newest, most accurate term) are more accurate. Linguists dropped the "Vernacular" because it is not a slang language, and are starting to change "English" to "Language" because it is most likely derived from creole, not English
Since when does "vernacular" apply only to slang? It's just everyday language, which can include slang but includes plenty of non-slang.
Vernacular is specifically used for informal language, and in this particular case, linguists did not want to imply slang. I am not a linguist, but the sources I found from people who study AAE cited that as the reason for the name change
Thank you so much for the more accurate names. Though a lot of black folks I know still do call it AAVE or B(V)E (Black (Vernacular) English), I'm not sure why.
You're correct that it's not a slang language. I wasn't aware that vernacular implied that, I appreciate the education!
It was AAVE for a long time, and momentum is a hell of a thing. Ultimately whatever the culture wants to call it, it is really up to them.
Good point! Thanks, really appreciate your help here.
Yes.
If you actually read the thread it's said multiple times "y'all" wasn't and isn't the problem.
Okay, but all other examples were just slang too, so my point still stands
It is not just slang, though. It is a whole language that black folks have been constantly asking white people to stop using as slang. This is just one public instance of it happening