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[–] Wiz@midwest.social 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Is AAVE = "African American Vernacular English"? That's the only thing I can think that it would be.

[–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Of note here, AAVE is an outdated term. AAE - African American English (still a little outdated) or AAL - African American Language (the newest, most accurate term) are more accurate. Linguists dropped the "Vernacular" because it is not a slang language, and are starting to change "English" to "Language" because it is most likely derived from creole, not English

[–] exasperation@lemm.ee 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Linguists dropped the "Vernacular" because it is not a slang language

Since when does "vernacular" apply only to slang? It's just everyday language, which can include slang but includes plenty of non-slang.

[–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 1 points 1 day ago

Vernacular is specifically used for informal language, and in this particular case, linguists did not want to imply slang. I am not a linguist, but the sources I found from people who study AAE cited that as the reason for the name change

[–] SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Thank you so much for the more accurate names. Though a lot of black folks I know still do call it AAVE or B(V)E (Black (Vernacular) English), I'm not sure why.

You're correct that it's not a slang language. I wasn't aware that vernacular implied that, I appreciate the education!

[–] Vodulas@beehaw.org 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It was AAVE for a long time, and momentum is a hell of a thing. Ultimately whatever the culture wants to call it, it is really up to them.

[–] SweetCitrusBuzz@beehaw.org 3 points 1 day ago

Good point! Thanks, really appreciate your help here.