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Rivian CEO issues strong statement about people who purchase gas-powered cars: ‘Sort of like building a horse barn in 1910’::"I don't think I would have believed it."

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[–] tankplanker@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

You’ve completely ignored multiple of my points and making baseless claims

Yet you have highlighted or addressed none of these and have made quite a few of these yourself, such as:

Also not everyone lives in a place where they can park and charge at home Already addressed and acknowledged this point, so heres a perfect example of you ignoring points:

ICE vehicles aren’t going anywhere for a long time, Another example, where have I said that they are going to be wiped out? Just that you either have to have a very particular set of requirements for an EV not to make sense. However what will happen is that we will reach a tipping point (who knows when that will be, I certainly do not) and the majority of ICE cars will just disappear.

I am old enough to remember the end of cars that only ran on leaded petrol without expensive rework. They were around for ages after the ban date was set and there were plenty of great bargains available as people rushed to get rid, but then the petrol stations that sold leaded stopped, and it became impractical for most people to run leaded so they went as well. I would expect the same for ICE, a complete apocalypse for used pricing by a rapid closure of petrol stations and loads of ICE just then being junked.

Speaking of making baseless claims while ignoring my points:

Zoe is 110 horsepower, my 3 cylinder 1LT has 140 horsepower. Zoe 0-60 is 13.1

Firstly I was talking about the R135, but still that's not the worst thing here. You've quoted the BHP of the R110 but quoted the 0-60 for the Q90. I am assuming that's in bad faith.

You also deliberately ignoring that I talk about torque delivery rather than peak torque, and no, the ecoboost does not produce more torque than any EV from 0 to 1750 RPM, its impossible for any pure ICE car to do so. Another intentional bad faith argument.

Buying an electric car for the same price as a petrol car, then paying £50 a month is ludicrous, that’s twice as much as I spend on fuel Where do I even start with this.

The £50 is for a full manufacturer warranty on the battery, new for old, its not just some random fee you are paying and in an older EV its value for money.

You have also banged on and on about range yet you spend £25 a month on fuel? Fucking LMAO. Your entire argument about your choices around range and cost are just bunk now. I would estimate your monthly range to be between 150 and 230 miles a month now, careful driving in a Zoe could see you doing that with one charge a month for £3.60 as I outlined above.

You could even spend half of what you spent on your car on a Zoe with a smaller battery and charge every ten days or so for the same £3.60 a month of charging time as you are doing so few miles. So you could have saved thousands of pounds up front.

Youve completely ignored the cost saving for charging vs. fuel, something which is only going to get worse as time goes on as the number of petrol stations in the UK decreases into ever smaller number of owners. We already have effective price fixing by the supermarket forecourts keeping prices high this summer.

I have driven electric vehicles Sure, was it the cybertruck and roadster with Elon? The milk float from Father Ted? The new lambo EV? Your claims just aren't credible when I believe you arguing in bad faith.

Still, I am sure you are enjoying the boundless power, thrilling sound track from your ultra reliable ecoboost?

https://www.motorbiscuit.com/avoid-ford-ecoboost-engine-all-cost/ https://www.carvibz.com/news/ford-ecoboost-1-0-liter-teardown-reveals-most-common-engine-issues/