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Fuck Windows AND MacOS honestly

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[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 20 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Actively turning the PC into a walled garden

First point, could have worded it better, but that's definitely all software

Plus, Apple controls the entire stack so criticism of MacOS is criticism of their hardware and vice versa

[–] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

That’s iOS criticism. On MacOS, I compile software from GitHub and run it no problem.

[–] carrylex@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Yeah but have you ever tried to install it directly?

There is stuff like notarization that's literally designed in a way that only Apple approved software can be run on your machine.

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 7 points 14 hours ago

Unless Apple decides the software is too old and isn't allowed to work anymore.

[–] HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

It's not a criticism of macOS because it broadly describes all Apple hardware. Swap in "iPhone", and nothing changes. A valid point to criticise macOS is in its constant deprecation of software (such as OpenGL), or how additional software is required to match some Windows features (less true now).

This ignores that macOS is, otherwise, the best non-libre OS. Changing the default browser changes the default browser. Spotlight search is fast and versatile, making Windows' modern start menu look like a joke. Trackpad support is unmatched. Logic Pro and Final Cut remain industry leaders. Most importantly, it's usually pretty damn fast, and free of ads.

Outside of gaming, there is not a single reason to use Windows over macOS--maybe if you enjoy suffering. With Linux distros officially being a better gaming medium than Windows, at least macOS still has a use case. It's the perfect OS for people adapted to Apple's style of workflow, which I've found to be a good one. Else, you can use NixOS, or Arch, or Gentoo.. but never Windows.

[–] Xatolos@reddthat.com 2 points 6 hours ago

there is not a single reason to use Windows over macOS--maybe if you enjoy suffering.

Or I prefer stability. Believe it or not, I found macOS to be very crash prone. Opening many tabs in a web browser? Crashed macOS. Transmission not uploading, so hit use random port to upload, Airport no longer works, even after reset. Run and tab between multiple apps at the same time, crash crash crash. macOS might be good for you, but it really isn't that great for everyone and really has issues.

Also, my time is worth more than minimum wage. When something isn't working, I need to get it fixed and now. Not make an appointment with the nearest Apple store so I can wait until the appointment and then waste my time going to the store (and the nearest Apple store is 2 hours away). My machine is a work device, not a reason to have to come in to their store for yet another sales pitch of why I should buy a new laptop instead of fixing it.

Oh, and for those prices, you'd think they would support the hardware for more than 5-7 years. People are complaining about Win10 "only" being supported for 10 years, that's nothing on Apple.

Or I'm a developer and shouldn't have to deal with Apple's BS. Or their constant breaking of software so they can "release a new version of macOS".

And that trackpad... Holy F, I've never come so close to punching a computer than that trackpad. When I two finger tap to bring up a menu, I expect it to bring up a menu where I tap, not drop a cm down and then bring up a menu that doesn't match what I needed.

Logic Pro isn't the industry standard, it's Pro Tools, and Final Cut Pro isn't either, it's Adobe Premiere Pro.

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago

Outside of gaming, there is not a single reason to use Windows over macOS--maybe if you enjoy suffering

Let me name a couple of shitty ones:

  • Your work's IT only supports Windows.
  • You work with industrial control systems or lab equipment that only supports Windows.
  • Hardware vendors are assholes that use proprietary protocols instead of USB device classes and don't release drivers for anything other than Windows.
  • You need to use CUDA.
  • You need to use a dedicated graphics card for some reason or another.
  • You're hosting a server, but not competent enough to use Linux.

None of those are reasons to voluntarily choose Windows, but sadly, they're still real reasons.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Swap in "iPhone", and nothing changes.

The iPhone was an improvement to what was before, trying to make MacOS into a walled garden is going backwards

Nobody is calling support for Windows, fuck windows to, but nothing you said negates the sheer cost of being in a app walled garden on a PC, the obliteration of upgradeability and near 0 repairability

If your SSD dies or you start needing more RAM for your workflow Apples position is, essentially, "Get a new laptop, fuck the environment!"

[–] HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

So criticise Apple for being anti-repair and anti-competitive. Ah, but Apple being anti-repair is parroted just as much as Windows being garbage.

Welp, gotta be angry at something, today. Fuck [POPULAR COMPANY PRODUCT], and let's go on with our day.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

negates the sheer cost of being in a app walled garden on a PC

You don't seem to want to address the walled garden problem, which flies directly in the face of user choice and freedom as much as the problems with the hardware does.

[–] HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I don't recognise the walled garden problem, because I'm on macOS, where software walled gardens do not exist. In other words, scarecrow. I've installed whatever the hell I wanted on there. It's also confusing to single out macOS (which has better third-party repos than Windows by absolute leagues), when iOS is right there.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

don't recognise the walled garden problem, because I'm on macOS, where software walled gardens do not exist

Really, so you haven't noticed that root hasn't really been root lately? Or that it's been getting harder to install software from outside the MacOS app store with each update? They're not stupid, they're not going to do it all at once, they're doing it bit by bit.

Mark my words, there will be a day in the short term when you go to install something outside the MacOS app store and you'll get a "Can't do that without a paid Apple dev account" error, at best

It's also confusing to single out macOS (which has better third-party repos than Windows by absolute leagues), when iOS is right there.

Once again, iOS being a walled garden is an improvement to what was before and I'm not advocating for Windows in any sense of the word

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 3 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not looking to argue, but this is my take:

They're going to keep making it more and more difficult for the average consumer to step outside of the Apple-intended vision (as they have with Gatekeeper, SIP, and removing kernel extension support), but I really don't think they would be stupid enough to fully close the ecosystem.

A lot of their MacBook Pro and Mac Pro sales comes from corporate hardware refreshes. If a company can't get their proprietary software working because of arbitrary restrictions, they're going to buy a Windows device next time.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

If a company can't get their proprietary software working because of arbitrary restrictions, they're going to buy a Windows device next time.

They already have something in place for that, it's called the Apple Developer Enterprise Program

They've got a plan to build the wall around MacOS and they're executing it, it's not going to be an overnight thing, but it's coming

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago

Well, shit. It's a good thing that I don't use a Mac unless it's forced upon me.

[–] mark3748@sh.itjust.works 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

It’s bullshit because I’ve never once installed anything other than Xcode from the App Store. Nothing else. It’s not a walled garden in any way, shape, or form.

It’s a full, true UNIX desktop OS.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago

. It’s not a walled garden in any way, shape, or form.

MacOS gatekeeper is the first step they're taking towards it, it's not yet a walled garden, but they want it to be and have a plan to get there.

It’s a full, true UNIX desktop OS.

If that were true, then root should be absolute, but it isn't on MacOS. Between SIP and other new "For your security and protection" features, root has taken a back seat and has been completely neutered.