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Fuck Windows AND MacOS honestly

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[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 4 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

negates the sheer cost of being in a app walled garden on a PC

You don't seem to want to address the walled garden problem, which flies directly in the face of user choice and freedom as much as the problems with the hardware does.

[–] HEXN3T@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I don't recognise the walled garden problem, because I'm on macOS, where software walled gardens do not exist. In other words, scarecrow. I've installed whatever the hell I wanted on there. It's also confusing to single out macOS (which has better third-party repos than Windows by absolute leagues), when iOS is right there.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

don't recognise the walled garden problem, because I'm on macOS, where software walled gardens do not exist

Really, so you haven't noticed that root hasn't really been root lately? Or that it's been getting harder to install software from outside the MacOS app store with each update? They're not stupid, they're not going to do it all at once, they're doing it bit by bit.

Mark my words, there will be a day in the short term when you go to install something outside the MacOS app store and you'll get a "Can't do that without a paid Apple dev account" error, at best

It's also confusing to single out macOS (which has better third-party repos than Windows by absolute leagues), when iOS is right there.

Once again, iOS being a walled garden is an improvement to what was before and I'm not advocating for Windows in any sense of the word

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 3 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not looking to argue, but this is my take:

They're going to keep making it more and more difficult for the average consumer to step outside of the Apple-intended vision (as they have with Gatekeeper, SIP, and removing kernel extension support), but I really don't think they would be stupid enough to fully close the ecosystem.

A lot of their MacBook Pro and Mac Pro sales comes from corporate hardware refreshes. If a company can't get their proprietary software working because of arbitrary restrictions, they're going to buy a Windows device next time.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

If a company can't get their proprietary software working because of arbitrary restrictions, they're going to buy a Windows device next time.

They already have something in place for that, it's called the Apple Developer Enterprise Program

They've got a plan to build the wall around MacOS and they're executing it, it's not going to be an overnight thing, but it's coming

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago

Well, shit. It's a good thing that I don't use a Mac unless it's forced upon me.

[–] mark3748@sh.itjust.works 1 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

It’s bullshit because I’ve never once installed anything other than Xcode from the App Store. Nothing else. It’s not a walled garden in any way, shape, or form.

It’s a full, true UNIX desktop OS.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 2 points 15 hours ago

. It’s not a walled garden in any way, shape, or form.

MacOS gatekeeper is the first step they're taking towards it, it's not yet a walled garden, but they want it to be and have a plan to get there.

It’s a full, true UNIX desktop OS.

If that were true, then root should be absolute, but it isn't on MacOS. Between SIP and other new "For your security and protection" features, root has taken a back seat and has been completely neutered.