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[–] deFrisselle@lemmy.sdf.org -3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Oh, no It's not like Mastodon instances have fact checkers or even sufficient moderation staff

Many instances are fairly well-moderated I would argue

[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Back in my day we were perfectly capable of checking our own facts. A rare skill these days.

I have an idea. Make it so every time you create a social media account, you have to check "agree" to a giant banner that says "if you take anything you see on here seriously, you are an idiot.". That's how we used to automatically treat things on the Internet at first glance.

[–] spacecadet@lemm.ee 8 points 1 day ago

That’s what I don’t get about people getting mad at the removal of “fact checkers”. Zuck was right in that they were uneducated and highly biased. Their “context” a lot of time was downright misleading. I never trusted them anyway because I don’t get my news from random people on the internet.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Bullshit. Where would you get these facts? From sources curated by government censors and Cold War propagandists.

I watched a damn Doris Day movie last month that had imperialist propaganda shoved in it. No living person predates propaganda, and your overconfidence that you were able to sort it out with even less information sources available is ridiculous.

[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

That's the idea, overwhelm people with massive amounts of information and misinformation, and people start tuning out and not caring anymore. One thing I did learn from those "propaganda" sources of days past was that the Holocaust was real, a fuckton of minorities were brutally murdered, and Nazis are fucksticks who need to be stamped out at every opportunity.

That is something I've actually seen actively changing in the past 20 years. When I was a kid/teen, we never fucking questioned it. Now the Internet is full of Holocaust deniers. Just spreading that shit from person to person like a virus.

We didn't blindly trust other sources either. Filtering and research is a skill you learn to use on any source of info you're given. Public schools used to teach us how to do this. Do they not anymore?

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 6 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

You’re looking at it with rose colored glasses. There have been Holocaust deniers ever since the Holocaust.

And now we have an ongoing genocide being live-streamed by the very people committing it, and they’re still denying genocide.

[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org -1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Yes. But they didn't have a megaphone to reach millions with one post. They were rightfully looked at as crazy assholes and mostly stayed in the dark.

[–] surph_ninja@lemmy.world 2 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

No, you’re either misremembering or intentionally misstating to advocate for censorship. Holocaust denial has been prevalent in media and among the powerful as well.

The entire reason it was allowed to happen was because of denial by the media and the powerful. Not some working class assholes with a printing press. And we see it playing out exactly the same way now with the genocide in Palestine.