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‘If 1.5m Germans have them there must be something in it’: how balcony solar is taking off (www.theguardian.com)

submitted 1 day ago by alyaza@beehaw.org to c/news@beehaw.org

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Manufacturers say that installing a couple of 300-watt panels will give a saving of up to 30% on a typical household’s electricity bill. With an outlay of €400-800 and with no installation cost, the panels could pay for themselves within six years.

In Spain, where two thirds of the population live in apartments and installing panels on the roof requires the consent of a majority of the building’s residents, this DIY technology has obvious advantages.

With solar balconies, no such consent is required unless the facade is listed as of historic interest or there is a specific prohibition from the residents’ association or the local authority. Furthermore, as long as the installation does not exceed 800 watts it doesn’t require certification, which can cost from €100 to €400, depending on the area.

As with all solar power systems, balcony power only works in daylight and a battery storage system can add at least €1,000 to the installation cost.

Vernetta says the vertical surface area of cities is far greater than that of the roofs and that, in Spain, balcony panels benefit more than roof panels from the low winter sun.

Cities such as Helsinki are already experimenting with buildings with solar panel cladding.

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[–] HumanPenguin@feddit.uk 20 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

‘If 1.5m Germans have them there must be something in it’

Yep, an impressive marketing campaign.

Honestly, I'm not saying they are bad. Depends on location and angle.

But the tittle is total rubbish.

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 4 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (1 children)

30% locally generated solar power is good.

[–] HumanPenguin@feddit.uk 1 points 32 minutes ago* (last edited 28 minutes ago)

Agreed.

As I say, it's just the idea of 1.5m can't be wrong that is wrong. More so coming from a newspaper that depends on the success of marketing for its revenue.

Approx 2% of a population can definitely be sold a crock of shit if the marketing is good. Just look at the numbers who voted Trump in the US or Reform in the UK.

Honestly, if solar Balconies produced 30% of the nations' electricity, then it would be very impressive.

But while Germany producing 54% clean energy is bloody impressive. Honestly, 30% is likely to be solar as a whole, not just balcony solar.

The number of locations where the low sun would be inline to balconies is limited. Due to urban conditions. Mainly only higher flats over the average city line and rural areas.

And while in those higher or rural flats. The low sun may shine the correct way 30% of the day (if the panels can tilt). For that to generate 30% of the flats use over a whole year. Would take a pretty big balcony. The best panels available commercially nowadays are <300w per m2. So most balconies would have 600 to 1200w max. The whole side of the flat would likely be 4x to 6x times that.

I'd guess it's still worth doing. (def the whole side of the building thing) Mainly because the panels are so freaking cheap atm. It's the cost of bats and volt/current/charge management that would be the greatest cost part. But for most users. 30% from balcony alone is not realistic.

[–] rtc@beehaw.org 1 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I, in just about every case, give no attention to norm-based arguments. We as a species on a whole, proportionally, keep doing foolish shit all the time.

But it was after reading your comment that I noticed there was a time that many Germans were either proponents of or tolerating (not all of them absolutely; there were rebels) some extremely bad things. Some 85 years ago.

[–] RootBeerGuy@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Did you just seriously bring up Hitler in a balcony solar panel discussion?

[–] rtc@beehaw.org 2 points 10 hours ago

Just what are you try to imply here